television of people angry at each other. i mean, it's interesting to see people angry at each other. like someone said, wouldn't it have been great if we walked off. well, yeah, it would have been great if pe he walked off, but what would we have learned? zippo. people are looking for the dramatic. the dramatic comes along with it. but in the early george wallace years ago in miami, i had a terrible time with george wallace when he was governor of alabama. the first time around he changed a lot. but, yeah, i restrained myself because i felt that, again, i wasn't important. you know, i'd be there the next night. the guests counted. >> speaking of walking off, i'm doing this out of order, but, you know, all of us vividly remember when you had kerry frayson on, the former miss california, you asked her a question she didn't like. >> you're saying in mediation it was discussed why you were mediating. >> larry, it's completely