u.s. combat troops to be out. is nato in this fight until 2014 in its current permutation? >> yes, this road map has actually been adopted at the nato summit in lisbon in november. we will start a gradual transition to leave afghan responsibility this year and hopefully see completed by the end of 2014. we are in this together. 28 allies and 28 partners in the eyes of the coalition. >> you saw senator richard lugar proceeded you here talking about a much smaller -- much smaller brigades, much fewer military people on the ground in afghanistan sort of backing up the military and the police in afghanistan. do you see that happening there any time before 2014? >> the development will very much depend on conditions on the