breaches of u.s. security and could be a national security threat. let's talk about it with internet security expert and the president of e forensics llc john luchich. john, it seems the f.b.i. would have looked at them before now, why the sudden interest. >> they are doing many types of intrusions. you can't spend too long poking at a tiger before you have it's full and undivided attention. that's what they've done with the f.b.i., scotland yard and many other agencies around the world. jon: these hackers pass themselves off as harmless pranksters sitting in bedrooms and dense across america typing on key boards and not necessarily hurting anything. is that a fair characterization? >> absolutely not. they are criminals and a threat to national security without a doubt. they break into the wrong network and that's hooked up to the f.b.i. or our military with so much contractors out there that could pose a tremendous