whitlock. let's start with you on this. for many of us who don't follow every detail of college football, we still know that joe paterno is this figure. he is a titan among the coaching world and beyond. known around the world and medal of freedom. that's been withdrawn now. what should very done that he didn't do just on a moral -- forget the legal aspect but on a moral basis? >> well, i think in 1998, when there was a first oncampus investigation into jerry sandusky and then he abruptly retired at the end of the 1998 season, at that point he should have had very strong suspicion. the campus police investigated jerry sandusky. in 2002 it's brought to his attention again and his former 30 year employee. he should have brought jerry