that's their standard. they can have whatever standards they want. that is not my standard. i think absolutely they have -- he has to tell the viewer that he has got a vested interest. now, i want to make something clear. i don't think for a second if the aflcio was trying to buy goodwill ed shoults for $200,000 they wasted their money because they would have got it for free anyway. $200,000 is a lot of money. i think there are some people in the media world who would go on television and say that their mother plays second base for the mets if somebody paid them $200,000. >> bill: i think it's more than that though. i think it's a reward. i think there is a -- you say they would have gotten it any way. it depends. depends on how much passion you bring to it. but say, and this isn't a hypothetical because we don't know where $100,000 of this money is right now. we don't know. all right? so, 100,000 has been established cancer society