politician. >> but, remember -- >> -- familiar and favored. >> i disagree. this is democrats. not everybody else. democrats. they don't have to come down. if she was igniting the democratic base, they would go up. it's not inevitable that democrats are going to sour on hillary clinton. this email thing is going to hurt her because it is going to be drawn out by republicans. any candidate running against hillary clinton. >> but don't you think it might back fire if republicans are using it to attack her it might lead a lot of democrats who wouldn't necessarily be that excited about hillary clinton. >> maybe. >> otherwise to come to her defense. >> as nikki pointed out, it's not about the democrats, it's about the democrats and about the swing voters, 20% in between that could go either way. now, the other problem that hillary clinton is going to have, north in the primaries but in the general election is her performance as secretary of state. >> um-huh. >> because the world is a mess. one big mess. >> um-huh. >> democrats don't seem to be ready to admit it.