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focus is moving away from those three words towards efforts around well-being and in inclusion. does that tell you this is really a rebrand, that they are really moving away from dei? >> right, that has a lot of lipstick on a pig kind of feeling to it, right. like they are going to figure out a way to do this. by the way, if you remember back when the supreme court reversed the affirmative action decision and said you are not allowed to have quotas going into colleges, many university presidents, i believe including claudine gay at harvard herself, said we will figure out other ways to do it. so look, to get social justice, dei, wokeness out of institutions, and out of people's minds, it's very complex because it's become sort of a holistic world view and if you view the world only as oppressed and oppressors then to look at the world in a new way is going to be tough. i would say a lot of organizations will do a little bit on the margins to fix some

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