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financial community that he had friends like a bill clinton, all these others. it had nothing to do with all this other tawdry e stuff -- >> you know, neil -- neil: -- can but his financial connections and his ability -- >> you know, neil, people will, people will hear what they want to hear. neil: absolutely. >> i can't help what goes on in someone's brain cells. the only thing i can say is this, you and i, report -- we reported this fairly. he was a despicable houston. he was, essentially, he went to jail once on child sex trafficking. the second time he was going to go to jail for a long time. neil: right. >> on top of that, he dealt with a lot of people, whether they knew it or not, there's no evidence in these documents -- neil: but in the earliest days, his connection was his financial acumen, his knowledge of tax history, real estate law -- >> oh, yeah. i was -- listen, jimmy cain, the head of bear stearns, told me that. he was good at his job. there's reasons other than potentially sex with kids that