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presidential immunity before the d.c. court of appeals. some lights are show feels like law and order episode, there's so much legal criminal procedure to discuss so let's bring in a real lawyer, former law professor, former deputy assistant attorney general, professor. the d.c. court of appeals oral argument and it's hard to field questions while smart judges are coming at you but the headline was trump lawyers said the president must be impeached before he could be prosecuted even for ordering a hit on a political opponent and roofing a lot of people scratching their heads saying it can't be right. >> i think watters have probably never seen or listened to the d.c. circuit argument before. i've listened to hundreds and have seen hundreds and the lesson is, the judge is engaged and it's like law school almost again.