steve, is it more about can politics, or the economy and how much do you think it will actually help democrats in november? >> it's far more about politics. i think the white house feels like it needs to have something to campaign on, something to give vulnerable congressional democrats to run on. so this is what they settled on. i think it's far too late to have much effect on the economy, so they hope to be making a political argument. but what was most interesting i thought in your interview with tim kaine if i heard him correctly he said there have been eight tax cuts targeted to small businesses and he says we need a ninth. the white house saying we need a ninth, because this one is going to work where all the others haven't succeeded. if you look at what the president said, the economy is moving in the right direction, one of the lines you'll likely see in the republican ads throughout the fall. it's not moving in the right direction. g.d.p. growth is going in the opposite direction of the way everybody wants it to be going. for him to say this at this time, suggests he's out of touch that will resonate in the fall. >> chris: mara, given the parameters and given how bleak