in citizen rebellion against this useless security theater. it's clear that these scanners would not detect powdered explosives like the ones used by the underwear bomber. martha: if there's an explosive like this taped to someone's body, they'd have to be in something, so is the something that it's wrapped in, if it's taped under someone's arm pit or even in a code cavity, which -- body cavity which we've seen with drug smugglers and the like, would it pick up that? >> it absolutely does not pick up anything in a body cavity, nothing in someone's rectum, nothing in their mouth, nothing in a body cavity. in materials of the container that the powdered explosive is in, if it's hard, if it's like a bottle, if it's like a metal case, the scanner would absolutely pick that up. martha: but if it's in plastic bags with duct tape? >> no. no. martha: but it would see the bulge of that across somebody's body, no? >> no. what the scanners do is they pick up hard objects that