will never go on tv and tell people to drink. >> heather: do you get the same benefits from grapes. >> yes. the skin of red grapes has the benefit and with beer, you don't tell people to take silicon but the beer they used in the study was a low alcohol beer. look, beer has knew transcripts -- nutrients that are helpful and it seems like it wouldn't work that way, women ate beer and men with wine, and we need more than questionnaires and, there is some science behind it. >> gregg: and moderate consumption -- you can't do it excessively. >> because alcoholics have been shown to fall and break their bones and have more osteoporosis and if you drink excessively you'll have the opposite effect and i will not even tell people to drink moderately, if you have a glass of wine here and there and you are a man, it will help you but it is more about the ingredients and maybe you can extract the in ingredients,