chairman -- >> it is -- >> let me -- >> marcia, it is a yes or no answer. is it yes or no? >> republicans are the ones that put closing the loopholes on the table. >> so it is a yes? so it is a yes? >> we have said let's level the playing field, let's close a lot of these loopholes. >> good. so why don't we put that in the debt reduction bill? how about this one? how about the ethanol loophole where we're paying people huge amounts of money to grow corn and use it for fuel that pollutes and costs more than regular gasoline, do you support closing that loophole? >> i have supported closing that one, but, rob, you're -- what you are trying to do is -- >> when i'm trying to do is -- >> no, what you're trying to do is build a warfare issue. >> warfare? you're the one -- no, marcia, really, you're the one who is waging -- no, you're the one that is waging war over medicare recipients, social security