we are back with our guests. and so we were just talking about melissa's article. you guys had a lot of responses. >> as a white liberal, i think that -- well, first off, there is a difference between democrat and liberal, is that -- the difference is becoming a little starker. and there is no real empirical data that show that obama is not losing that much more support than white activist than any other group for that matter. i think that to the extent that there was some projection that obama might be more liberal than he is because he is black, i think there is some of that. you have to remember the field we were looking at at the time as well. nobody trusted edwards to a certain extent -- >> that's so weird. that's a weird thing to say. continue. >> that was good. >> aside from they did not trust him for the wrong reasons.