just this past weekend with the afl-cio. arlene baker there had a king labor town hall meeting and you are talking about janitors. you know what the governor of michigan has done? he has taken the city of pontiac and one of the things they've done is they've gotten rid of all the janitors in the schools. all the janitors in the school. we had a city councilman tell us who teaches school that he has to vacuum his own classrooms. he has to bring toilet paper to his own classroom. and he also said under emergency management, as we -- as you've talked about on your show and others. >> i was in detroit yesterday on emergency management. >> they fired the first person they fired was the city attorney. they fired the city clerk. they might -- they might unincorporate the city. and they are heading to try and do the same thing to detroit, wipe out all union contracts