same kind of, you know, sort of stable, as i mean, like a horse in a stable, expert that they pull out. we've seen this game before. and so, they, i think, have readily adapted the kind of scheming and efforts to mislead the public out of the public health arena that they've used for so long, and now they're using it in the health insurance arena. so, for them, i think it's kind of an easy reaction to fall into. we've got lots of money, we'll pay a lot of people to try to look independent. we'll put up a lot of phony organizations to look like this is all legit, and we'll go out and try to do our dirty business. >> senator sheldon whitehouse of rhode island, thanks very much for your time tonight, sir. it's nice to have you here. >> thank you. >> thank you. all right, so, which set of brothers has the greatest influence on american politics? it's not the koch brothers, actually, it's guys who have really, really, really serious beards. and that story's coming up. [ female announcer ] we give you relief from your cold symptoms.