he made a very brilliant three-day testimony on the stand about how they struggled for the gun. as we never found morris' head, we don't know which way the bullet went in. whether it went in from here as if they were struggling or whether it went in from the back the way susan berman was murdered. >> so, what is -- how can somebody be out there for 30 years? i mean, three different -- >> 33. >> 33 years. >> right. >> three different crimes. all of this suspicion. low is it only when he mutters something like this he's cornered? >> well, really every investigation was botched, okay? >> uh-huh. >> right? kathy -- there was never a real investigation there 1982. neither by new york city where he tried to pretend it happened, which it didn't. she never left south salem we now know. or in south salem. susan's murder happens the 23rd