>> i don't know what to make of that. what do you make of it? >> i wish i knew more about the circumstances. look, the car can be a weapon, a lethal weapon just like the gun might be. i don't know. >> if it is possible, conceivable that a police officer could be justified using a weapon to shoot someone, what you're saying is it is conceivable he could be justified to -- have you ever -- is that a thing the cops do? >> it depends where you are. i was not trained that way, but sometimes in other jurisdictions, yeah, you see police cars run other cars off the road. usually that's not an urban tactics that's used. but exactly, if you can shoot someone, yeah, you can hit them with your car, too. >> the thing that came to me here and again, a lot depends if he's armed and dangerous, they think he has a gun. >> we know he's armed, right? >> well, i mean not hard confirmed. all alleged. i don't know what actually is actually definitively determined.