were sitting in my office. >> yes, exactly. right. if you look at this the war in iraq which has produced the chaos in iraq and then isis you know it's hard to think we keep creating our own enemies. then how do you break that cycle? >> well, i don't know. that's a good question. i don't know the answer. i do know this. we got one now. whether you call it isis or dash as the arabs call it. it's a large capable force. it's probably got 25,000 fighters. it controls cities like mosul with a million people it controlsal large swath of land. more land that dozens of countries have. more people than dozens of countries have and it is going to be a terrorist nation sanctuary. it already is where people from around the world go to get trained, get combat experience and then go back home and i