cleveland, it sounds like he believes that the department of justice is being pretty heavy-handed in not taking in all the facts about what they're dealing with. does he have any merit at all in that point? >> no not at all, ed. heavy-handed? they came in at the request of the mayor in 2013 and found that the cleveland police department uses excessive force. that is a fact. 137 shots against miss williams and mr. russell. no citizen in this country should have to endure something like that. they were unarmed. they evaded the police no doubt about that but evasion doesn't mean that they deserve to be dead. the shooting of young tamir rice on the playground. that young boy, little boy, did not deserve to be dead. tanisha anderson did not deserve to die. handcuffed victims being hit by police with their weapons. that cannot and should not happen. this is about the community and the police coming together. everybody understands how difficult it is to be a police officer. my son is a police officer, my husband was a police officer. we get it ed.