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i think that was fake because it alienated a large part of the country, and did not ultimately result and donald trump not having a voice. he is not going to be -- i guess the answer is gonna -- >> what this could mean for american democracy? here's the address, fellow at the brooklyn institution, she wrote an article for the atlantic and the 2021 about trump's deplatforming titled, the ringmaster is gone. she joins me now. quinta, i was reading your piece again, and it is as well of him today as it was when you wrote it in 2021. your response to mosques claim there that deplatforming trump did not ultimately curb his online influence and reach? >> i think that's just not true. you know, it's a little hard to put data to such a fuzzy question, but there have been studies, zignal labs which