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on its face to hold a public office. because at that point you're not a public servant. having said that, it does seem that the hole he's digging for himself is deeper and deeper and deeper as more and more of these sources come out because they're realizing, like, i thought i knew this guy, i apparently didn't know this person because there's evidence there's consistent sort of exclusion from this inner circle whatever that is, but i'm also in jeopardy of going to jail. and i'm not doing it -- >> and you know the way i think did it way you do and i don't think i've ever uttered this sentence before, bill barr. >> that's exactly right. and i think more to harry's earlier points he used the word -- and i've got to go back to the glasses -- knowledgeable, concrete and knowledgeable. and the more we get to that, and the more we see who was involved