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mainstream national advertiser. so i think at some point these guys just wear out their welcome. ratings don't matter if you can't get advertisers. and i think for fox, i don't think that this changes much for them and i think that is the sad thing. three quarters of a billion dollars is a lot of money, but i don't think going forward that they will be approaching things dramatically different. it is just who they are. >> one person who i know quite often disagrees with that, and it is dinesh d'souza. in march he was talking about tucker playing all the 1/6 security footage, refusing. he said fox is not a fully rereliable place. they don't care. they want fox to be able to sell ads to nissan, so they have all kinds of motives including feuding with trump, motives for blocking the kind of coverage that occurs. that is the sad reality. where do you think as we sort of head into -- we'll have a republican primary and the mud

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republican politics, there is -- when are you in the bunker, we always keep digging. that expression i think was made for republicans who only have shells when they are in political holes. but after lawyers confronted murdoch showing he knew the claims were false, he admitted that some fox hosts appear to have endorsed stolen election claims which is the legal standard. that appeared to have undermined fox's defense. then told murdoch afterward that he thought the depo had gone well. mr. murdoch pointed a finger at the dominion lawyer and said, quote, i think he would strongly disagree with that.maamazing, t were losing. >> murdoch, he is 90 something years old, all he has is his legacy at this point. you just wonder how even it got to this point where he didn't

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trumpist republicans, but within that tribe itself. and so that creates a very different and somewhat unpredictable dynamic because we don't know exactly how it will play out because you have trump loyalists who are suddenly attacking other former trump loyalists in various different ways. and there is also a point at which a movement becomes a fight over the spoils. right now that audience are the spoils and there is a lot of media vultures who would like a piece of that. >> so interesting. i think you're right. there is no more fight between pro trump and anti-trump republicans. it is between pro trump and more trump republicans. it will be fun to watch. mike, thank you for your reporting. joyce vance, donny deutsch, charlie sykes, thanks for starting us off. when we come back, ron desantis is trying to score political points whenhe bashes the

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on its face to hold a public office. because at that point you're not a public servant. having said that, it does seem that the hole he's digging for himself is deeper and deeper and deeper as more and more of these sources come out because they're realizing, like, i thought i knew this guy, i apparently didn't know this person because there's evidence there's consistent sort of exclusion from this inner circle whatever that is, but i'm also in jeopardy of going to jail. and i'm not doing it -- >> and you know the way i think did it way you do and i don't think i've ever uttered this sentence before, bill barr. >> that's exactly right. and i think more to harry's earlier points he used the word -- and i've got to go back to the glasses -- knowledgeable, concrete and knowledgeable. and the more we get to that, and the more we see who was involved

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>> i envision at least two and now there's talk of a third, one involving, you know, taking it away without authority. one involving obstruction, and one potentially involving showing it to others and espionage. but to me it's the strongest case and the strongest aspect of the strongest case. and what bill barr sees is exactly this obstruction right after the point of having received the subpoena. and whether smith, by the way, phrases it in terms of three or four different acts and possibly conspiracy, by the way, depending on people like nauta where one count is sort of incidental, it's a matter of proof but not of sentence. so in very simple terms he knows at this point he must return it. he's told repeatedly at this point that he cannot keep anything that's classified. he knows he has stuff that's classified including in his desk, and he orders people -- that's the dot, dot you referred

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ability to play an inside game and get the best thing for the country which is that we don't default. how important is it to be the first one out of the gate to tell the story and drive the narrative? >> well, at this point the narrative will be determined on the house floor and in the committee that you just referenced. and we haven't played this out. what happens with kevin mccarthy. kevin mccarthy had three major challenges, to come up with a deal, to come up with the votes, make sure the deal passes, and then to survive the blowback. and quite frankly, we don't know how that will play out because there is nothing in the dna of the modern republican party that will be okay with a deal that is perceived as a win or something good for joe biden. so right now it looks like they pulled this off, we'll avoid the default, but i always sort of look at the horizon, what is going on grass roots, what will

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just say make this go away. >> before the deposition. >> like this is all he's got at this point. he has his -- like human behavior. he has everything. all he's got to do is lose at this point. how he allowed himself personally to be put in that position and be humiliated. all along that fox let this go, just from a personal behavior point of view hard to explain. >> and i want to bring charlie in on all this because i think we feel each other's pain on this. but the lawyers in charge of the smartmatic legal strategy? >> i'm not sure if it is the same outside lawyer that is in charge of the smartmatic strategy. but rupert murdoch has gone through everything in business, but fox is a place that has dealt with scandal, whether sexual harassment are on if you

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the day he was in charge of the ship and that was the result. >> and he fired a lawyer who wasn't as interested in this strategy, replaced him with someone. and they were going to go to the supreme court. tell us about that. >> their argument was that they would eventually be right on the law, that they may lose at the district court level but they just have to sort of tough it out and that ultimately the supreme court would side with them and they would be okay. >> which part, on the falsity, actual malice? all of it? >> they thought that they could hide behind the first amendment and the supreme court would go along with the legalees of that. what changes for them is in february when the text messages come out. because at that point, the public reaction was greater than they thought it was going to be. and they realize that jury in

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