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possession, those crimes in those years, if this plea agreement is expected, you know what, jose, i think we need to go to you on another -- >> yes. if you would. i apologize for the interruption, tom and catherine. we have breaking news in the special counsel's election interference case. i want to bring in nbc news' correspondent garrett haake. what do we know? >> reporter: well, jose, we're able to report now from two sources with direct knowledge of the situation that two of donald trump's attorneys have just been meeting with the special counsel here in the office building behind me. we saw very similar meeting a few days before the announcement in the classified -- the announcement of an indictment in the classified documents case came through. as tom and others have outlined, this is the kind of thing you see with attorneys coming in to try to do a last minute negotiation, convince prosecutors not to make charges against their client. we don't know the specifics of this meeting here, but it was widely reported that the attorneys were seen arriving