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guilty perhaps to a reduced charge and cooperate with prosecutors against the other charged defendants. walt nauta and trump. he opted not to do it. often, when we approach people who are targets of an investigation before they get indicted and prosecutors try to persuade them to become cooperating witnesses, it's kind of theoretical. there's the sense they could be indicted but haven't been charged yet. once they are and they see their name listed as a marquee defendant together with co defendants, it becomes very real. it has a way of focusing the mind and attention of somebody who's now an indicted defendant and often in my experience, that tended to jump-start negotiations between prosecutors and the now indicted defendant on the possibility of cooperation. >> yeah. one quick point about that