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it into support. interesting opportunity for all of them on wednesday in this debate that donald trump says he's going to be skipping. could one of them emerge from that debate with an enhanced or reputation among republicans. one thing just quickly to keep in mind here, we also asked iowa republicans who's your second choice, and you see here, it's a mishmash, 20% shows desantis, but there's no clear default second choice candidate. that's the challenge for all of the non-trump candidates here is can they consolidate that non-trump vote. can one of them emerge and consolidate the bulk of that non-trump support. i think ultimately if someone's going to beat trump in iowa, that's what it's going to take. >> steve kornacki, thank you so very much. appreciate it. >> you got it. >> with us now to continue our conversation, victoria defrancesco soto, dean of the clinton school of public service at the university of arkansas, former republican national committee chair, michael steele. victoria and michael are msnbc