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he wanted media attention on it. i think this was the exact same. you look at -- harry made a great point. i've got a copy of the email exchange. even the type face is different on some of them as if they were cut and paste, as if the attorney didn't write them and they were sent to him. it's an odd several pages of emails i have to say. i don't know if it was donald trump or somebody with donald trump sent, you know -- here's what he should say and it was cut and paste into the email. >> i always do love a formatting issue. it also reminded me of when you were in court and he testified. rewind to that moment. in some ways, i think that performance was a tell about what we could expect had he somehow actually taken this opportunity here. >> absolutely. because he was unrepentant, he talked about things that were far outside the scope of this case, he really just wanted an opportunity to explain himself