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what if it was suddenly trump tower without donald trump. some of the biggest buildings in the former president's real estate portfolio are at risk as his civil fraud trial nears its end. not only trump tower but trump park avenue, 40 wall street, 1290 avenue of the americas and two of his golf properties. joining me now, federal and white collar criminal defense attorney, caroline pelosi, and former u.s. attorney and former white collar defense attorney, paul charleston, "new york times" business investigations editor, and author of "towers," david enrick joins me as well. can you just explain what actually could be the penalties involving these buildings? is it that his name is stripped off of them, he can't manage them, he can't collect money off