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be a fiscal conservative. you can't say you are holding up a spending bill because you are worried about the deficits, and then continue to pour gasoline on a fire that is not only inherently dangerous, but is expensive! you are spending government resources on a problem that you have created. >> so mr. sherman, can i ask, you then? what do people who are still republicans, who don't really like donald trump's vitriol or not, in private, they say all the things we, our friends say in private. but in public, they still support him. what is it going to take for those folks to band together with the 85% and say, we are not going to stand for this? >> you know, simone, that such a good question. i think i would love to hear more of those voices come out and stand on street corners and capital steps, in neighborhoods, and really speak to that. when swatting occurs, speak out

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