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recently was asked, do you support political violence? and he walked away. so he's constantly, when he's not recurrent -- encouraging it, he's refusing to say it's bad. so i think we should all hope, as people -- some kind of platform that that doesn't happen, that people keep cool. we've been with trump -- trump's been around for a while now, and, you know, there's been some violence, but much less than could have been. so i think we all hope that. but again, the swatting attempts are way to use the police -- >> yeah. >> to use the federal government to hurt people. and while people haven't been hurt yet, but they certainly could be, it is a certain kind of political violence. >> right. right. and it's dangerous, and it's pushing our limits, our boundaries of the discourse in a very dangerous way to the extremes. joe, we should note, on christmas you had a caller inventing a fake shooting to

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