jerry should have said, yes, i have, and i've been unable to determine who may have uttered those horrible words. let's move beyond it though, tom. i have apologized. i apologize again here tonight. and meg, let's discuss jobs, let's discuss the budget of the state of california. let's not discuss what obviously is a horror slur word. and that would be the end of it. >> joan, your view on this. the way that he handled it, the way that it was used, it was apparently used by some staffer with regard to unions, we are in regards to unions, public safety union, the way it is used in politics, not defensible but certainly looks terrible here. what do you view -- how do you view it? >> no, it is not defensible, looks terrible, but i want to say i don't want to sit here, no one died and put me in charge of speaking for women, chris, so i do think that this word now has a gender-neutral political connotation, sadly to mayor brown's profession and the profession that we both love. so i didn't necessarily hear it as a gender slur. nonetheless, it was a bad thing to say.