mind works at these deep levels with always being able to achieve his ends remaining behind the scenes. he is the quintessential man behind the curtain and this book for the first time goes behind the scenes, got all the insiders to talk, pulls back that curtain and we can see once and for all who roger ailes is, and what fox news is. >> you say you have all these insiders but so many of the quotes are anonymous. tell us why they have to be anonymous and readers should trust you these quotes are real. >> exactly. two things. first of all, many sources are on the record and as you mentioned at the top of your show including roger's brother but to the anonymous sources you cannot write this book without using anonymous sources. i did use anonymous sources -- >> why is that. >> roger ailes as his closest confidants have told me is more nixonian than richard nixon. i was fascinated to learn this, onest of the most powerful people inside fox news is his executive assistant a woman named judy.