Unprecedented answers by a president of the United States, ambassador Marie Yovanovitch was recalled from her post to the ukraine without explanation in may when she read that President Trump had referred to her as bad news and said she was going to go through some things in his july phone call summary with the ukrainian president. I was shocked, absolutely shocked and devastated frankly, it sounded like a threat. Do you feel threatened . I do. Then as the ambassador testified the president attacked her by tweet. Chairman adam schiff read it to her minutes later. Everywhere Marie Yovanovitch went turned bad. I think the effect is to be intimidated. Want to let you know ambassador some of us here take witness intimidation very seriously. Diplomat bill taylor also revealed that a staffer overheard a telephone conversation in a ukraine restaurant between President Trump and his Eu AmbassadorGordon Sondland. Member of my staff could hear President Trump on the phone asking ambassador sondland about the investigations,. Sondland told President Trump the ukrainians were ready to move forward. I dont recall doing that at all. Not even a little bit. Late friday the taylor staffer david holmes provided a firsthand account. He and two others heard the conversation because the president s voice was so loud sondland had to hold the phone away from his ear. Where does the investigation stand . Question will ask the speaker and two Intelligence Committee members, congressman jim jordan and mike quigley and preview next weeks testimony where witnesses will include ambassador sondland, plus our cbs news Battleground Tracker shows big momentum for one candidate in the key states of iowa and new hampshire. All that plus analysis on the news of the week is just ahead on face the nation. Good morning. And welcome to face the nation. We begin with House Speaker nancy pelosi. We spoke with her just after the conclusion of public impeachment hearings friday. Our conversation started with President Trumps realtime tweet about ambassador Marie Yovanovitch. Why do you think he was tweeting about her . Well, he made a mistake. And he knows her strength and he was trying to undermine it. Of course the president appoints ambassadors but people dont insult people especially when they are giving testimony before the congress of the United States. I think even his most ardent supporters have to honestly admit this was the wrong thing for the president to do. The white house said it was just his opinion. He wasnt trying to intimidate. What do you think . The president and perhaps some at the white house what they have to know is the words of the president weigh a ton, they are very significant and he should not frivolously throw out insults. But thats what he does. I think part of it is his own insecurity as an imposter. I think he knows full well, that he is in that office way over his head and so he has to diminish every else. Brennan do you think that was witness intimidation in your book . I havent had a lot of time to Pay Attention to the president s tweets and the legal implications of them. I just think it was totally wrong and inappropriate and typical of the president. Brennan when you tweeted tad you said ambassador Marie Yovanovitch was viciously smeared from trump allies removed from her post and threatened by the president. What part of that sounds to you Impeachable Offense or a crime . Well there are many things the president does that are completely out of the question that are not impeachable and they are about the election but when it comes to violating the constitution of the United States as he undermines our national security, jeopardizes the integrity of our elections and dishonors his own oath of office, thats about impeachment. Brennan so the constitution defines an Impeachable Offense as treason, bribery or high crimes and misdemeanors. Right. Brennan what do you think applies to this case . We are unfolding the facts. Thats what an inquiry is about. Brennan do you used the term bribery. Yes. I was translating from what 10, that was in the context of e pluribus unum, so i said quid pro quo, bribery, thats what that is. Brennan so but do you expect that to be one of the i have no idea. There is not even a decision made to impeach the president. This is a finding of fact, unfolding of the truth and then decision will be made and that is a decision that goes beyond me. Brennan well, you point out factually, right, the vote has not taken place. Do you proceed with impeachment but do you think you will go through all of this . And not vote to impeach the president . That remains the facts that the president has information that demonstrates his innocence in all of this, which we havent seen, his transcript of a phone call is tough to weigh in a high highly sensitive compartmentalized department serve sore we cant see that. He has information that is exculpatory that means x, take away, culpa, blame, then we look forward to seeing it. Brennan you think democrats have had a good week . Well i think the American People have had a good week. I think truth has had a good week. I think patriotism has had a good week and i think the constitution has had a good week. I dont think the president has had a good week. Brennan well, republicans argue here if we could just talk about what we are going to do. I really have a real discomfort level of responding to what republicans say, because they are in denial about what is happening in the countrsof wantt where we are going on this i am happy to respond to that, but i find it a waste of my time and yours to just be talking about what republicans say. Brennan well, i want to just let you respond, though, to the argument that is being made in messaging by republicans here let their arguments stand because they are on such quicksand i dont even want to give it anymore visibility by my dignifying any of their misrepresentations of what they say, and i say that out of Great Respect for you because i respect you as a great journalist and i am on in order to have this interview with you, but i am not here to talk about what they say because they are not facing the reality of what is happening to our country, and this is about our democracy that is at risk with this president in the white house. Brennan so chairman schiff has said he learned of the whistleblower complaint september 9, the aid was released days later, the military aid that is in question here, do you see a connection here . Of course. The president wasnt going to the republicans like to say if you want to talk about them, oh it doesnt matter, the aid was released, no the whistle was blown, the whistle was blown and that was blown long before we heard about it. Dont forget that inbetween all of that came the Inspector General and the Inspector General appointed by President Trump. And the Inspector General said that this was of urgent concern and so that is what intervened. Brennan can you help walk the American People through what happens next . We have another week of hearings. Yes. Brennan there will be an Intelligence Report written up, and then what . Does the president get, as he says, to confront his accuser or get due process . Confront the whistleblower . Brennan presumably. Well, i will make sure he does not intimidate the whistleblower, so the president could come right before the committee and speak all the truth he wants. Brennan you dont expect if he wants to take the oath or office or do i think in writing. He has every opportunity to present his case, but it is really a sad thing. I mean, what the president did was so much worse than even what Richard Nixon did that at some point Richard Nixon cared about the country must have to recognize that this could not continue, the Intelligence Committee is leading this part of the inquiry, there are other depositions that are being taken by more committees, so some of the depositions will continue and then what takes place in the intelligence public will continue for another week. I dont know how much longer, i guess it depends on how many more witnesses they have. Thats up to the committee o i dont drive that. Thats up to the committee. Brennan do you expect that to be wrapped up before the end of the year . I have no idea. Again, i dont have brennan no timetable for that . No. I mean, it is self ever evident that we have open hearings for the next week. I dont know of any beyond that, then we are out for thanksgiving, it doesnt mean depositions couldnt be taken during that time, and then when we come back. Back. By then maybe a decision or maybe they have more hearings and then i have six committees who have been working on all of this and those six chairmen have been very involved in what how we will proceed. Brennan does that mean that will be potentially included in an impeachment that you might broaden this beyond the issue related to the ukraine. Well, that is not up to me, that is what the facts will determine. We are also proceeding in the courts and this week we have another powerful decision by a court now as the president is appealing it to the Supreme Court that the president should release his financial documents. We have won all of the cases on the court in this. The roger stone, seven counts was it he was found guilty, manafort is in prison, Michael Cohen the president s lawyer is in prison. There is so much wrongdoing attached with all of this but we have to keep it very precise in terms of the president of the United States and the constitution of the United States and that is what this is about and it is very serious and none of us came here to impeach a president. This is very sad. At the same time, as i say, we are trying to pass a trade bill, pass our appropriations bills, Voting Rights act, whether it is background checks, Climate Action now, it will pay for equal work, raising the minimum wage, all of the issues that we are working on for the good of the American People. So this while this is a concentration of our conversation here, it is not what we do on a day. Brennan you met with the treasury secretary this week. He said the white house has no intention of allowing another government shutdown. Agreed. We are all in agreement. Brennan are you confident you can avoid one . Well, let us hope, left to their own devices, the appropriate tors can avoid that. Brennan does that mean democrats will provide funding for the border wall . No. No. We have well over a trilliondollar worth of decisions to make. I dont know why we would go to that. The president hasnt built any new wall in the whole term of office. I think that his 0 comments about the wall are really an applause line in a rally, but there is not anything that he is serious about. Brennan when will the free trade deal known as usmca come up for a vote . When we have assurances that Worker Protections are provided. It is all about enforcement. Brennan you said imminent recently. Well, imminent, we are a long way from where we started, but i dont have a date when it will come up because it cannot be any sooner than the trade representative agrees to be a proper enforcement so their workers really do get a better deal than they have in nafta. Brennan what is it like 4 you to go toe to toe with President Trump . Sad, as i say none of us come here to impeach a president and when a spree elected we wish that president success and hope that we can Work Together and find Common Ground and i thought maybe we could on infrastructure and i am still hopeful. I thought we could on reducing the cost of prescription drugs and i am still hopeful. I had hoped that he would want it to be a vote to find some Common Ground. It is not a real estate who believes in governance. I worked with president bush before and we did many things, passed the Biggest Energy bill in the history of the 0 country, fairness in terms of the tax code for poor people and we did many things together. Brennan do you think it is different now, though, because you are so often the only woman in this room . I kind of go to a view, after the recent clash at the white house with you standing up. I was largely the only woman in the room when president bush was president as well but president bush believed in governance so you could find Common Ground, but if you dont governance then there is hardly anyway to negotiate a solution. This is a very strange situation. 24th of september is when ior a. The inquiry was going on but to proceed with the inquiry and that kind of changed our communication until that day in the room when i said all roads with you, mr. President , lead to putin whether giving them a stronger foothold with what you did with turkey and syria or what you did of withholding aid to military assistance, bona fide to congress to ukraine to the benefit of putin, 11,000, more like 13,000 by now ukrainians have died at the hands of the russians, and needed that military aid and with his disparaging remarks about nato and questioning our commitment to nato, that is to putins advantage. So we do have, shall we say, a candid relationship. Brennan ms. Speaker, thank you very much. My pleasure. Nn er saker pelosi website facethenation. Com and an additional segment will be airing later today in the Digital Network cbsn, when we come back rep jim jordan he is leading the charge defending the president in the impeachment hearings. Stay with us. This is a story about. Doin more. With less. Doers need energy. And demand for it so cons finding more homegrown energy, more precisely. 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Brennan just so with we clear that up right out of the gate. Thats real important. Brennan as you heard from the speak never that interview, she argue it is aid to ukraine was only released because of the whistleblower. What reason were you given that the aid to ukraine was eventually released . Because the president zelensky met with fivetime with 0 uh u. S. Officials and four face to face meetings with u. S. Senators, ambassadors, with Vice President pence, and each of those meetings never was it talked about linking the 0 Security Assistance dollars to any type of investigations but what did happen in those meetings is they all became convinced zelensky is is real deal, remember we are talking about ukraine one of the three most crypt countries in the planet and the hard earned dollars of the American People so they became convinced this media star, this new guy in poli overwhelming majority in their parliament was the real deal and legit and worth the risk. Brennan so that september 9th complaint, and then the september 11th release of the aid you are saying that is just, the calendar fell yes and the aid dtave e released until september 30th and released on the 11th and most important, the ukrainians did nothing, as far as investigations go, to get the aid release sod there was never mocrats all promise existed before President Trump released the phone call. Brennan i want to get to some new testimony an american diplomat named david holmes testified behind closed doors on friday, and i want to know, do you think because he now has firsthand knowledge in which he explains he overheard a conversation between the president of the United States and Gordon Sondland, isnt he credible . This was firsthand . Well, i mean, look, he overheard a conversation. Brennan specific mention of the bidens and investigation story, we will see, because there were four people at the table. Brennan are they coming to testify those other two. Adam schiff controls the witness list we gave our listsed give our list last saturday one of the problems and unfairness of this process. I am sure mr. Holmes will be called by the democrats and have the ambassador to the