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>> it's very hard for american journalism companies to send people in. other print reporters are leaving as well because of evan's arrest. >> if you fwhithink about this,s is part of putin's objective if we send them there, are we comfortable with them leaving moscow you could end up with people sitting in moscow getting the press releases from the kremlin. this is a huge loss to the rest of the world we need to know what's happening in russia. we need to know if there's opinion against the war, if there's any indication of political change if he succeeds in walling it off and shutting out voices -- he stamped out russian independent journalism -- we will not have a lot of insight we have seen in russian history, things can change fast >> ben rhodes, great to see you. you have had so much experience with putin >> more than i would like.