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school over the past, you know, few years. the rate peaked in 2009, and it's dropped significantly since the pandemic, as well. really, what we're seeing is, i think as the cost of college has risen astronomically, people are making the calculation, is it worth me doing a four-year degree and getting into enormous amounts of debt when i have this other option, do an apprenticeship, get on the job training. a lot of the apprenticeship also involves classes at community colleges. you're getting hands-on and classroom-based training. when you finish your apprenticeship, usually, it's a pipeline to hiring. you end up, you know, often working at a company or working with people you might have trained with. for many people, just this calculation is paying off, to do an apprenticeship rather than college. >> julia, this is gene robinson. my question is whether this is a rational decision that these

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