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we've seen previously in those cases doj has chosen not to come in and prosecute. so for example, mark meadows, they got a referral letter from the congressional committee, the january 6th committee referring mark meadows. doj looked at it closely and said, look, there's enough good faith negotiation. he has enough of a plausible argument for executive privilege that we're not going to prosecute. maybe here it that good faith gets him out of a prosecution. this is just an absolute mess. this hearing is a clown show. >> it's a mess. >> it's unbelievable and just insanity. i think him showing up really just amped up the, you know, the ability of people to use his presence there to make this a real pr moment. >> well, it was described as a charade by at least one of the lawmakers who was there in that committee hearing room. david jolly, back to you because you've been in these hearing rooms. what we just witnessed, to see