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played with puppets as a kid, but that was a way in to the local television station. he took it, created his own puppets. and you know, he was a very introverted guy. he became an extrovert when he had a puppet on his hand. he was funny, satirical, but really accessible, and he just grew his talent. you know, with puppetry, and he was also very experimental and trying to push the boundaries of what movies could be as well. >> i watched the doc last night, and one thing that comes through is this a person who is really soulful, and it comes through as very soft and playful and creative in ways that the modern world, we have this world, people are creatives. a lot of this is capitalist driven, imitation. i want to look at sesame street, as it grew, it was so embraced. you had icons from all aspects