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Agreed on a frame work, and were going to be heading to the white house tomorrow. The white house confirmed tomorrows meeting taking place just before senators leave town for their twoweek recess. Theres more on this glimmer of partisan process just ahead. Biden also putting his weight behind fighting a surge in violent crimes. Homicides up 24 . Gun assaults, 22 . Over the same period last year. Late today the president and Attorney General outline a new anticrime strategy focused on getting more money to Police Departments and violence intervention programs while cracking down on socalled rogue gun dealers. Zero tolerance for gun dealers who willfully violate existing laws. If you willfully fail to run a background check, if you willfully falsify a record, if you willfully fail to cooperate with the request or inspections, well find you, and we will seek your license to sell guns. Well make sure you cant sell death and mayhem on our streets. Biden also noted crime traditionally rises during the summer months. He warned things could get worse in just the coming weeks. As we emerge from this pandemic with the country opening up again, the traditional summer spike may be even more pronounced than it usually would be. As senator joe biden, as you know, was one of the principle authors of the 1994 crime bill hes often presented himself to audiences as a senator whos tough on crime, but Lindsey Graham said his current Crime Fighting strategy doesnt go far enough. Theyre going after trying to take guns off the street, which is a fine thing to do. But the reason the spike in crime is nobodys getting prosecuted. The liberal left created this problem, and the joe biden of the 70s who was tough on crime no longer exists. In the meantime, the effort to prosecute those responsible for the violent siege and desecration on our capital nearly six months ago is yielding more dramatic vote showing exactly what Police Officers were up against for hours that day. This latest footage has just been released by the Justice Department like everything from that day, it is disturbing. [ chanting usa ] [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. The government today also released never before seen footage showing officers in the basement of the capitol complex that day gearing up and preparing to take on the rioters. We need everyone lets go theyre not getting into this building. Lets go today a 49yearold woman from indiana was the first person sentenced in connection with the january riot. Anna morgan lloyd pleaded guilty to illegally demonstrating. Faces three years on probation, 500 Restitution Payment for damage to the capitol. She told the court she was ashamed of the violence that took place. Nancy pelosi is said to be still weighing whether to create a special 9 11 Style Commission to evaluate the attack after republicans blocked legislation to create a bipartisan panel. The white house confirmed today the president will travel to el paso on friday with the secretary of homeland security. Kamala harris, a former senator from california, of course, is making her first trip to the border as vp after relentless criticism from republicans who argue she should have gone there much sooner. The former president , who you probably remember want toed build that wall has weighed in with a statement that reads, quote, harris and biden were given the strongest bordner American History, and now it is the worst in American History. If Texas Governor abbott and i werent going there next week she never would have gone. Well have more on the border issue coming up. There was also a Surprise Supreme Court element coming up today, a decision some are hailing a key victory in free speech. The court rule in the favor of a former High School Cheerleader who posted a profanity laced reaction on snapchat after she failed to make the Varsity Cheer leading squad. They argued she will not be punished for speaking out against her school on off School Grounds and she won in the highest court of the land, no less. With that, lets bring in our leadoff guests. Philip rutger. His highly anticipated new book, written with his colleague Carol Lesson Ig called i alone can fix it is do out just days now. Professor melissa murray, nyu law school, clerk for justice sewn ya sotomayor, and a professor of politics and journalism at morgan state university. Phil rutger, wed like to begin with you. The white house beat. Why did the white house choose today, to the best of your knowledge, to launch this anticrime initiative . Well, brian, it was an important day for President Biden to launch this initiative in part because there are indications that crime this summer could be going up in cities across the country. Biden warned of that in his remarks from the white house today. And he wanted to take political advantage or at least position his administration bet ears the summer bears on. This is a politically tricky issue for democrats. It always has been for decades now, but especially in this moment because republicans on capitol hill have said that they want to try to use crime, if theres a crime wave this summer, as a Campaign Tool to try to defeat the democrats and take back the majority and midterm elections next year somewhat weve heard from biden and the Attorney General is a suite of proposals they think can get a handle on crime, first and foremost, the Gun Restrictions that have been important to the democratic agenda over the years to try to show American People theyre responsive, theyre predicting what could happen, and theyre trying to come up with some levels at a federal level that can get control of the crime situation in these cities. Jason johnson, next to you. A piece of journalism from the New York Times i want to run by you. The headline is, want to get trump reelected . Dismanhattan it will police. The author is tom friedman, and he writes, this is political dynamite for the democrats. The trump gop will pound them on this policing issue. Biden needs to keep rallying. Not defunding the police. Your response . Well, first, i dont know why he is continuing to perpetuate this myth that democrats as a whole were calling for Defund The Police. They never were. They never have. And if it didnt kill the democrats last year during the election. If people like if you can win seats in georgia georgias seventh district. If you can win seats when you literally had protests and riots in atlanta, this Defund The Police is a myth that centrists seem to believe in that doesnt affect voters. I can say this as a vote that we need to abolish policing and create something new. The idea that joe biden hes about to take money from Coronavirus Relief and put it into Police Departments after the last year of protests that weve seen, after all of the evidence and the information and the Empirical Data weve seen, i think thats a huge mistake and the wrong message to send to the kind of young activists they will need to be excited next summer to maintain the house and senate in 2022. Professor murray, the biden anticrime strategy leans on social programs. It also leans on beefing up Police Departments. Your response to that combination . I think jason is exactly right. This doesnt have to be an either or situation. You can have serious law enforcement, Law And Order policing, but you can values policing thats sensitive to the communities in which that policing is occurring and i think the Biden Administration is looking to thread the needle, recognizing the Success Communities have had with the police in the past while noting these same communities wish for safe communities and safety for themselves. Its not an either or, black or white situation. It can both and i think thats the balance theyre trying to strike. Phil rutger, as you heard at the top of the broadcast, as you already knew, part of the news out of washington tonight is this frame work on a possible deal between infrastructure and jobs. Here are a couple Democratic Senators reacting tonight. Well talk on the other side. That deal right now has 20 votes, not 60 votes. Were going to have to take a deep dive into the agreement that theyve reached and square it with the needs of our voters. There will be one Infrastructure Deal, and it will be a big Infrastructure Deal. A part of this is how were going to pay for it, and that means making sure that billionaires and corporations are paying their fair share and were enforcing the tax laws. Phil, whats your best read as of air time tonight on where this thing stands . Well, brian, its very much of a hot potato here in washington tonight. But what we know is that this Bipartisan Group has come up with the frame work in negotiation with the white house. Sit a far smaller and less ambitious frame work than the one the Biden Administration proposed and does not achieve all of the policy goals that Many Democrats are hoping more, including these Climate Change programs, including elder care and some other social programs that have been at the heart of what progressives have been pushing throughout the spring into the summer. The meeting tomorrow will reveal more details at the white house about what this proposal actually discuss. Its unclear if it will have to support of all the Democratic Senators but may have enough support from both parties to pass the senate. But its not the only Infrastructure Deal that could be on the table, because simultaneously as this bipartisan negotiation has been going on, Senate Democrats and House Democrats have been working with the white house on a separate track to pass the bigger package that you heard senator warren talking about there through a measure called reconciliation that would only require the 50 plus one vote majority in the senate. So theres a possibility here that there could be two infrastructure bills, right . That the bipartisan deal that the republicans have agreed to could pass and that the other elements of the Biden Administration proposal could later pass through reconciliation through votes on a party line. Jason, youre a smart guy, smart enough that a Major College trusts you to inform young inquiring minds. You know the math in the senate. Let me ask you this what should have happened, say, today, after that loss by the democrats on Voting Rights in the senate . What is the next step in your view . The next step is and i want to make sure we credit the president for this. Its very clear joe bidens been working behind the scenes, Stacey Abrams has been working behind the scenes, Raphael Warnock has been working behind the scenes. I dont think this is a lack of effort on behalf of the administration. But what needs to happen now is every single day, activists need to be outs sinemas office, manchins office and outside republican offices as well. Theres a way to put pressure on people to bring forth this information, bring forth the need for the Voting Rights bill. I believe in symbolism. If i were joe biden i would be asking democrats around the country, wheres the longest lines to vote this fall, and if i were joe biden i would literally stand in line with voters who have to wait three, four hours and say, this is what were fighting against, suburbanites. They need to go out into the country and say this bill is to fight against the inconvenience and Voter Suppression that everyone is facing. This should be the word out of every politicians mouth for the next eight months. Professor murray, finally to you, im going play for you donald trump comments on two of his justices to the Supreme Court, specifically kavanaugh and barrett who in his way went the wrong way on obamacare. Disappointed, and thats the way it goes. Very disappointed. I fought very hard for them. I was disappointed with a number of rulings that they made. So, professor, what if anything does this prove about him, about the court as an institution, about the justices he appointed . Well, first it suggests the framers of the constitution imagined an independent judiciary that danced to its own tune rather than the president. I think its quite early days to assume the recent trump appointees are not exactly of the character he intended, that they are staunch conservatives. Its early days and while the court has seen a number of victories , theyre not full throated or robust for progressives. Theyre often very narrow Decision Testimonies Aca Case was a jurisdictional issue. It didnt broach the merits of whether or not the mandate was or was not constitutional, whether the aca had to be struck down. It was a jurisdictional decision. Talt course posted a few wins for liberals, this is really early days and there are many to come. We have a big one next week, and we could see that conservative element emerge in some of those really pivotal cases. Let me hit you with a quick followup before i have to get to a break. Do you think roberts will allow a case to the whole court that challenges obamacare in all . I think were done with the full frontal assault on obamacare, but i think just as roe vs. Wade was saved. You can still see piecemeal. The right to abortion is entrenched we see them chipping away at it over time so i can imagine a number of challenges to part of obamacare, certainly the continue ra acceptive mandate rather than the full frontal assault on the entire thing. Phil rutger, melissa murray, jason johnson, thanks for joining us tonight. Theres a good chance that if you live in a big city thats already bad, then its going to be a long hot summer. The president trying to take a bite out of crime, as we have been talking about. Well take a closer look at whats at stake politically, even whats possible on the streets of our country. And later, gop lawmakers get schooled on wokeness and Critical Race Theory who has faced down and isnt about to be scared by a few house members. 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Low cash mode from pnc bank. Never hide. Lets get to work. Yeah whoa. Thats what im talking about. This shouldnt be a red or blue issue. Its an american issue. Were not changing the constitution. Were enforcing it. We have an opportunity to come together now as democrats and republicans. As fellow americans to fulfill the first responsibility of government in our democracy to keep each other safe. Of course, this being 2021, no sooner the president said it than it became a massive issue with democrats and republicans taking issue with his plan to head off what is projected to be an especially violent summer in our country. In portland, homicides are up a staggering 45 from last year. Atlanta has seen a 41 increase in murder. The a. P. Sums it up this way there are tricky plans and bidens plan chose you how few the democrats have on the issue. Joining us now, phil butler, who has written and spoken extensively on this topic. Among his books, choke hold, policing black men. Paul butler, great to see yous always. Thanks for coming on. Whats your initial take on what the president laid out today . Brian, bidens last Public Safety project was the crime bill of 1994, which brought us Mass Incarceration and vast race disparities. This time, biden is focused on Crime Prevention rather than harsh penalties, and thats a more evidencebased approach to what really works to make communities safe. So the Attorney General is going to order prosecutors to throw the book at gun dealers who sell firearms to people who arent allowed to have them. But the problem is, there cant be any meaningful gun control without the support of congress, which biden does not have on this issue. Would the phrase defang the police have been more