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And deal . Or no deal . After seemingly coming to a bipartisan agreement earlier this week, the president s Infrastructure Agenda is in jeopardy after angering republicans. If only one comes to me, im not this if this is the only thing that comes to me, im not signing. Its in tandem. We are going to break down what comes next. Plus, the Derek Chauvin sentencing. Former minneapolis cop gets 22 1 2 years in prison, but is likely to serve less than that. George floyds cousin, tara brown, will join me later in the hour to talk about how the family is feeling following the sentencing. We are also going to look ahead to the charges chauvin is now facing. But first, i want to get to those breaking new developments in the Trump Organization probe. The New York Times reporting that the former president s company could be hit with criminal charges by the manhattan das office, as early as next week. The case is believed to be focused on gifts and fringe benefits, distributed to trumporganization executives, including its cfo Allen Weisselberg. The times citing several sources saying, manhattan da, cy vance, is investigating whether Tens Of Thousands of dollars in privateschool tuition for weisselbergs grandkids is his apartment rental fees were properly recorded and whether taxes were paid on them. Ronald, one of the former president s attorneys, hit back at the latest move in a statement to nbc news. Slamming the new charges against the organization as, quote, completely outrageous. And saying he will make an immediate motion to dismiss the case. Back with me, once again, to break all of this down. Nbc news Senior Investigative producer, anna schecter. Anna, good to see you, once again. So i kind of just want to reset this for everybody as it is always i changing kind of the circumstances as to what we know as to when these charges will actually be announced against the Trump Organization. So bring us up to date, once more, on what we know so far. So, what we know is that there was a meeting of multiple prosecutors and lawyers representing Trump Organization and the former president , himself. Where the prosecutors indicated that they could be bringing criminal charges. This a big deal. The Trump Organization has been dealing with civil charges, almost since its inception going back decades. But the symbolism of criminal charges will have major implications. Trump is highly leveraged. In his business, hes got huge mortgages, Worth Hundreds Of Thousands of dollars. And when those loans come due, in the coming years, he will have to refinance those loans. And so, criminal charges will affect that process. He was, already, having trouble because of the january 6th, devastating his reputation even further. And now, criminal charges . I mean, thats a whole, new ball game. So this is a really serious deal and you have a lot of people, you have a core group of people, who precovid, were driving in, commuting in to trump tower to work there. And i am sure they are all under a tremendous amount of pressure right now. Its not just trump. Its his children. And its the core group of officers, legal team, secretaries. And then, of course, the employees around the world that this could affect. Was the Trump Organization was the former president , Allen Weisselberg, so on and so forth, all the folks involved, at all, Caught Off Guard . Or do they see this coming . I think this team thought that when Allen Weisselberg got immunity from robert mueller. Passing over those documents would protect him as ap an individual. And i think it was a tense time during the Mueller Probe and they knew that there were multiple investigations. But i think the idea of criminal charges is a huge blow. And is shocking, frankly, for this team. And they are enraged by it. And we will see. There will be a lot of drama to be watching, in the coming days. I am sure there will be, as there always is. Anna schecter, good to he so you once again. Lets talk with my panel. Glenn kirschner, former federal prosecutor. David kay johnston, author of The Making Of Donald Trump and syracuse law lecturer. Glenn, i am going to start with you on this one. I want to read for you from the New York Times piece. And they write this. Trumps lawyers met on thursday with senior prosecutors in the District Attorneys Office in hopes of her sueding them to abandon any plan to charge the company according to several people familiar with this meeting. Such meetings with routine in whitecollar criminal investigations and it is unclear whether the prosecutors have made a final decision on whether to charge the Trump Organization. Which has long denied wrongdoing. So i got two questions for you here, glen. First and foremost, how do they make that decision . And secondly, how do meetings like this go . So first of all, yasmin, they make that decision based, solely, on the evidence and the law that applies to that evidence. But i will say, when you have these highlevel meetings. Particularly, when it involves a former president , hiS Organization. Im sure there was a battalion of lawyers there. And you are basically putting them on notice that your organization is likely to be indicted. I would find it shocking, if they then backtracked and we didnt see an indictment. There is no guarantee that the organization will be indicted. But this this seems to be the last step on the road to an indictment of the Trump Organization. David kay johnston, how lethal is this for the Trump Organization . Well, the Trump Organization will have enormous difficulty signing any new contracts. So long has donald meets his servicing of his many loans, i dont think banks are likely to foreclose. They are going to look at how much of our money are we going to be able to get back . But he is not going to be able to attain any new finance, whatsoever. And it may affect licenses he has for various kind of business, including Liquor Licenses at his establishments. So, we this is a very painful, Troubling Development to go after the Trump Organization. Although, not the least bit unexpected. But i wonder, how it is, the former president would plan on paying some of these loans back, david cay, considering how highly leveraged he is from all the financialdisclosure documents that we have seen the reporting on his Financial Disclosures over the last couple of years . You know, billions and billions of dollars have flowed through Donald Trumps books. And hes always desperately short for cash and leverage. It its like money flowing down the drain because you left the tap open. And absolutely, hes going to face serious problems. I just dont think his Refinance Problems will be as soon as there is an indictment. Theyre likely to come a little further down the road. His immediate problems are more likely to be with any licenses that, particularly Liquor Licenses. In new york, he has one at trump tower. Hes got Liquor Licenses at his west chester golf course, for example. Things like that, those could be very troublesome for him. But in the long run, i dont know how he is going to refinance these properties that are underwater. Is it unusual, glenn, to indict a company . You know, yeah. The the Department Of Justice doesnt do it every day. State prosecutors offices dont do it every day. But, you know, there certainly is precedent, including some highprofile precedent. If you remember the Enron Scandal in the early 2000s, the Arthur Anderson Accounting Firm was indicted for obstructing justice. The firm was convicted. And that resulted in the firm folding and that seems like it could be, you know, the the Trump Organization could suffer that same fate, as both david and anna just sort of catalogued. The Business Difficulties that will come to the Trump Organization, as a result of a criminal indictment, are pretty consequential. But if i can add, there is one atmospheric consequence that i dont know that we have talked about. If the the former president S Organization is indicted, i have a feeling that could impact the thinking of other Prosecutorial Offices that are considering indicting donald trump, himself. What do you mean . How . Sure. The District Attorney in fulton county, Fanny William willis is investigating potential violations of Georgia State election laws and, frankly, they have the evidence on a recorded phone call. And we also know that the Department Of Justice has volume two of the mueller report. Which documented several counts of potential obstruction of justice, for which bob mueller famously testified, donald trump could be indicted after he leaves office. This could break the floodgates open, if the decision is made go ahead. No, so you are kind of for me, what i am hearing. I just want to understand what you are saying. This could kind of be seen as a domino effect. You are saying if the floodgates are then opened, you could see other people jumping on board . Listen. There is probably great reluctance, among all Prosecutorial Offices to be the first one out of the indictment chute against a former president of the united states. So, if the manhattan District Attorneys Office and the grand jury, now sitting and hearing evidence, in this case, decides to take that first leap and indict the Trump Organization. I have to believe that will impact the considerations that other District Attorneys, and other federal prosecutors are making every day. Thats fascinating. David cay, is there a possibility, at all, that the idea of leveling these charges against the Trump Organization. Indicting an Overall Organization is still an effort on the prosecutors part, on cy vances part, to get Allen Weisselberg to flip on the former president . Oh, i think, you are seeing prosecutors make it very clear to Allen Weisselberg that he wants to make his bed with donald trump, he is going to pay a very high price for this. And, by the way, i agree with glenn that i think there is a distinct possibility this will up the likelihood of other cases. The Trump Organization is donald trump. Its not like he owns 5 of it. He owns all of it. And going after Allen Weisselberg, at this point, who, presumably, is one of the people who will be indicted, is a way to send him a message. About its going to be hard for you to break with this man, that you have been so loyal to. But, if you dont, weve got the goods on you, and you are going to pay an enormous price. David, are you are you surprised he hasnt broken, so far . Because we have had numerous conversations leading up to this Breaking News with various folks. Even formerTrump Organization employees, who said that if Allen Weisselbergs family is, in fact, threatened. His son, specifically, right, the manager of, i believe, the trump Ice Skating Rink in central park. That Allen Weisselberg would have incentive to flip to protect his children. He hasnt, obviously, done that, up until this point. Are you surprised about that . Well, yasmin, he absolutely has made it very clear. Hes, so far, made his bed with donald trump. Will allen throw his children under the bus, his sons, if instead to show his loyalty to donald trump . We dont know, yet. But he is sure getting a very clear signal that hes not making the right choice, if thats what he does in terms of his personal liberty. So and im not surprised hes having a terrible time breaking with the trumps. He has been identified with them. Hes been doing Donald Trumps dirty work going back, now, to the 1970s. Hes wholly owned psychologically by donald trump. Glenn, one, Last Question to you here as we await this president s rally starting later on today. We know, this former president does not listen to his Legal Advisers if he is told not to talk about something. He has tweeted, numerous times, about things that he is probably not supposed to talk about. If, in fact, he mentions these possible charges on the rally stage. How could that affect the charges that may be leveled against him . Or the organization, i should say, next week . Donald trump is not the worlds most circumspect man when he is speaking or tweeting or issuing statements. And his every word at these, you know, pep rallies that he is still holding. His every tweet. His every Statement Issued under his name is a potential admission by a party opponent. It could be used as evidence against him, if the prosecutors find that he says anything incriminating. Or he says something, from which they can infer something incriminating. So that, alone, may be reason to tune into Donald Trumps latestpep rally. Glenn kirschner, david cay johnston, thank you both. Appreciate it. Still ahead, everybody. A race against time. The Rescue Mission for more than 100 people is still underway in surfside, florida, following the deadly collapse of a condo building. After the break, i am going to be joined by someone who has two friends still missing. Dont go anywhere. Dont go anyw. E the hole for this is. Or fourth Time Streaming that period drama dan. 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Because this is not just a mirror. Its an unstoppable community. Come on, jesse one more its every workout. Come on, you two lets go for everyone. So join in now. And see your best self. In the mirror. Were just praying for a miracle. I know my mom is a fighter. I know she loves us. At times, its complete devastation. And then, you know, there is periods of disbelief. Where you get a little calm. Just saying, well, this didnt happen. Its impossible. What is on your heart right now . I mean, resignation. But just trusting in god that that any any miracle can occur. Not only for me but for all the other families that are suffering the same. Welcome back. That was just a small glimpse at the raw emotions of Family Members in surfside, florida, where the fate of nearly160 people remains unknown. In what is now day three of a search for survivors in the collapse of the condominiums. Rescuers are now battling fires, heat, and time, really, in their desperate search for life. I am joined, now, by North Miami Beach commissioner, fortuna, who is waiting to hear news on her friends. Thanks for join us on this. I really appreciate it. I am so sorry what you are having to deal with. The news is just so incredibly devastating as we await any kind of good news. How are you doing . I am doing good, thank you. And thank you for having me. And thank you for allowing all of us to share our stories. Of course. That is our job. Tell me about about the friends that you have inside this building that are missing right now. Yes. They are an older couple. I have known her for since i was a little girl. Our parents um my parents and her came down from cuba. Where theyre part of the we are part of the jewishcuban community that came here to South Florida in the 60s and 70s. I went to school with their d