Footnote by the time this week is over. Part of that depends on Fulton County d. A. Fani willis. Shes been telling local reporters, quote, some people may not be happy with my decisions and says the local sheriffs putting up Security Barriers is a smart move. Well get the latest from georgia in a minutes. The New York Times calls it a month in hell for the City Of Phoenix. 31 Straight Days of temperatures over 110. Hospitals still overwhelmed. Billions lost in the economy nationwide. The poor suffering the most among the millions made miserable by the heat. Formering Governor John Kasich says his fellow republicans need to wake up to the threat of Climate Change. Why are so few heeding the call . We start in florida where the world got its first glimpse at maralago Property Manager carlos de oliveira, the name forever added to the list of alleged coconspirators alongside donald trump. De oliveira accused of trying to help trump delete Video Evidence and lying to investigators. The 56yearold did not enter a plea because he does not have local counsel. The judge gave him another week and a half to find one. By the time hes arraigned on august 10th, trump may have a whole new set of indictments both in washington and Fulton County, georgia, an expensive proposition on many levels. The Washington Post reporting trumps legal bills for the year have already topped 40 million, more than he brought in for his entire Campaign Last quarter. I want to bring in nbcs garrick headache, katie phang who is outside the courthouse in florida, and joyce vance, a former u. S. Attorney, Laugh Professor at University Of Alabama and msnbc liam analyst. Katie, give us a rundown of what happened in that courthouse today. Reporter de oliveira showed up with john irving, a d. C. Based lawyer representing him through this process thus far. They entered the courtroom where Magistrate Judge tore regs was preceding. The question was to determine if de oliveira obtained local counsel. They tried to reset the arraignment for august 25th which is the next major cifa hearing. Judge torres said no. Judge cannon wants to make sure this arraignment occurs prior to august 25th. To those wondering whether or not the case gets put out further, deolivera didnt enter a plea. However, he was released on a 100,000 personal surety bond. He has to surrender his expired american passport and abide by the Bond Conditions that trump and nauta have imposed, specifically that they cannot speak to or communicate with a list of witnesses prepared by the Department Of Justice about the facts of this case. Notably, chris, the names listed from that list, donald trump, walt nauta and de oliveira. His lawyer was bombastic when leaving court making an announcement to the reporters in the scrum stating the doj needs to put their money where their mouth is. All right, joyce, well get to the money where the mouth is in a little bit. Do you think de oliveira simply couldnt find Legal Counsel . Is it more part of a legal strategy to delay the trial whether it works or not . What do you think is going on here . Chris, this is the second defendant weve seen in this case use precisely the same tactic, i cant find a local lawyer. America is getting this wonderful education in the federal legal process. I dont view to have a lawyer barred in the Southern District of florida. People are sometimes indicted and do have to find a local lawyer. But both of these defendants, de oliveira and walt nauta, theyre residents in this judicial district. They have lawyers from washington, d. C. Thats not the situation that you normally see with people who reside in the district where the court is located. They have better access to local lawyers. So with the repetition of this, it does begin to look maybe less like a strategy and more like a tactic because we know trumps legal teams tactic is delay. There is no factual defense that trump has offered to these charges. Hes acknowledged he had the documents. The law is not on their side. It will be delay, delay, delay from here on out. Joyce, do you think these charges put additional pressure on either de oliveira or others in the trump world, aides who might flip and cooperate with the government, or maybe theyre not flipping. Maybe theyre not charged with anything, maybe they just know something. So, if this was a typical case, you would expect to see folks like this, to the extent they didnt plead guilty and cut a deal with prosecutors before they were indicted, this would be a real moment for them, when they understand theyre looking at charges that carry penalties of up to 0 years in prison. For someone in their late 50s like de oliveira, thats a very serious sort of threat. Because their lawyers come from within trump world, even though those lawyers do have an obligation to represent their clients and not the people who have procured them for their clients, i think increasingly well see questions. At some point the government may decide it needs to ask the court to make a record, to put the clients and the lawyers in the courtroom and to talk about conflicts and see if the clients want to wave conflicts of interest to continue with representation. Honestly, these look like situations where you would expect to see a very favorable deal for these sorts of defendants. Theyre entitled to continue and go to trial. Its just in the in their best southwests. To mess with a wellknown statement, garrett, keep your friends close and your enemies closer. We all know that de oliveira is somebody who was very faithful to donald trump, has served him for a very long time. You keep your friends close, but potential enemies, maybe you keep even closer. Im wondering if youre Hearing Anything in trump world about providing him with a lawyer, the level of confidence they have on him not turning on trump. Chris, this comes up at the end of the super seeding indictment here, this conversation which was on somebodys phone that the Special Counsel got ahold of, asking the question of Whether De Oliveira is someone who can be trusted and whether hes loyal. It appears that the trump broader team decided the answer to the question is yes. The former president has defended him, although not by name, on his social media accounts over the weekend, arguing people who work for him, loyal, hard working people who work for him are being targeted by the Justice Department as a way to get to him. We know and i think well talk about some more the idea that trump has used his political pac here to spend a little extra money to help not just himself but others cover their legal expenses. I would not be surprised when we get around to the filings in a couple months to find oliveras name on there as someone whose services were provided for by the trump orbit. Yeah, 40 million already spent, at least according to the numbers in the Washington Post. As we said at the top of the show, more than he raised in the quarter. Is there a point in which anyone is concerned in trump world when this task of continuing to fight all these myriad charges get bigger and bigger and bigger, that it puts so much Financial Impact on him, it impacts the campaign . Its not just financial. Its logistical. Planning Campaign Events around arraignments and court appearances, its difficult to run a traditional schedule. I think its part of the reason weve seen donald trump lean into his legal problems as much as he has on the political stage. Hes making himself a political martyr and using the fact that hes at the center of all these investigations as a way of saying im being targeted because i am the strongest opponent of President Biden and thats why theyre coming after me. Its not just a throwaway line here. Its a way for any candidate would be a weakness, in his case be a strength. Were finding in poll after poll that its working. Well talk in a little bit about the latest poll which is all good news for donald trump. Let me go back to the legal part of it, elena hab ba, one of trumps lawyers gave us one of the previews of the defense theyre playing. Let me play it for you, joyce. What was the Obstruction Of Justice . No tapes were deleted. He turned them over, he cooperated as he always does. Youll see every video, every Surveillance Tape requested was turned over. If President Trump didnt want something turned over, i assure you that is something that would never have done. Hes the most ethical american i know. Is that a viable defense, joyce . Well, talk is cheap when youre on television and you have the ability to say anything that youd like to. That is a pretty factfree analysis of the situation. The reality is that the governmentss pleadings the evidence is clear when it comes to Obstruction Of Justice. The facts are, in essence, not challenged, that the former president held on to documents, refused to turn them over. The government had to execute a search. And now more details are remerging about events depicted on video tape, showing movement and documents that surface in bedminster with trump saying ought loud that he was aware he no longer had the ability to declassify information and wasnt even sure he should be showing it to people in the meeting where he waves around the battle plan for iran. Thats sort of a good luck with that sort of defense for her. Great for trump in the court of public opinion. Not very likely to succeed in a court of law. Garrett was talking about how this could all confuse what is always already a complicated situation which is to run for president. What about on the legal side as we look to see what fani willis might do this week or next . Right. So its very difficult to assess how all these four different potential prosecutions against trump interplay. One of the interesting aspects about this is any statements he makes in public about any of these cases can be used against him in Court Proceedings in others. So, again, were not talking about a typical case. If we were, he wouldnt be talking about any of these prosecutions publicly because all of it hangs out there. As for scheduling, this becomes a very complicated matter. Theres a doubleedged sword for trump if he continues to delay the maralago prosecution. If a judge down the road sees a gap of a couple months on his calendar, they might slide one of these later indicted cases into an earlier position. Although trump has used delay very successfully as a tactic over the years, it may be that its not all upside for him this go around. Joyce vance will stay with me. Garrett haake and kaie phang, thank you very much. Is former President Donald Trump about to be indicted again . Well tell you what were hearing directly from the Fulton County d. A. In just 60 seconds. S s easytouse tools, like dynamic charting and riskreward analysis help make trading feel effortless. And its customizable scans with social sentiment help you find and unlock opportunities in the market. E trade from Morgan Stanley. With powerful, easytouse tools, power e trade makes complex trading easier. React to fastmoving markets with dynamic charting and a Futures Ladder that lets you place, flatten, or reverse orders so you wont miss an opportunity. E trade from Morgan Stanley subways now slicing their meats fresh. Thats why subways proffered by this champ. And this future champ. 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I want to bring in nbcs Blayne Alexander from outside the Fulton County courthouse in atlanta. Also bringing back joyce vance. Have these threats given fani willis a little bit of pause . As far as how shes proceeding with the investigation, no, not at all. In terms of how shes preparing for her Charging Decisions to be announced, which shes given a very strong indication would happen within the next three weeks at some point, yes, she wants to make sure security is as tight as it can possibly be. You see that evidenced by the orange barricades behind me thats not something we typically see inside the Fulton County courthouse. Its something shes been thinking about when you consider the fact that she sent a letter to local Law Enforcement in may, block out these three weeks of time, im directing much of my staff to work from home. I hope judges dont schedule hearing during this time period. She wanted to make sure the officials had ample time to shore up security. Its something she told me in an interview last summer, that shes upped her own security, she even shared some of those threats with County Commissioners in an email over the weekend. As for what were expecting to see in the next few weeks or sorks shes made it clear shes ready to go and even said that at a backtoschool event. Take a look. I made a commitment to the american people, most importantly the citizens of Fulton County that we were going to be making some Big Decisions regarding the Election Investigation and that i would do that before September 1st of 2023. Im going to hold true to that commitment. Weve been working for 2 1 2 years. Were ready to go. Reporter chris, i want to talk about what we do know here and what were waiting to learn. This period of july 31st through august 18th, thats the time period where shes directing people to work from home where theres this iet ended sense of security. We know there are currently two grand juries seated and hearing cases. One of those, either the one that meets on Monday Or Tuesday or the other that meets on thursday and friday will receive this investigation that theyve been looking into for the past two years. What we dont know is when shell present the case. We dont know how theyre going to decide. Were certainly going to be watching closely, knowing she plans to make that announcement in the coming weeks. Joyce, she says shes ready to go. What other factors would go into that situation . Obviously she seems to think shes got her ts crossed and is dotted. What else is she considering as she decides when to make this happen . One of the interesting unknowns here is whether theres been any coordination between fani willis and federal prosecutors on jack smiths team. Weve already seen the former president in new york when he was indicted try to remove a State Prosecution into federal court. He was unsuccessful there. This is a different case. Perhaps theres a better rationale for making that effort here because the charges involve his team in office. We will see that happen again. Whether fani willis might be coordinating with jack smith both on timing and on what substantive charges she might decide to bring remains to be seen. Its an interesting possibility. In an email obtained by the Atlanta Journal constitution willis warned other county leaders, as we said, by sharing one of the many obscene emails shes gotten since taking the case, calling willis, quote, a corrupt racial expletive threatening, you are going to fail, you jim crow democrat another expletive. Weve seen these threats rise, especially in the justice system. Is she right to be concerned . Is she right to make sure not just legally she has all her ducks in a row but securitywise as well . She is absolutely right. Fani willis concern is not for herself. Its for others. Its for people who work in the courthouse, people who work in her office and citizens in the area. Fulton county is where two election workers, ruby freeman and her daughter shaye moss were victimized. They became the victims of Rudy Giulianis fake stories about election fraud. Those stories were perpetuated by donald trump. We heard the powerful testimony from those two during the january 6th committee meetings. That shaye moss was afraid to do so much as go to the Grocery Store or speak her mothers name out loud. Yes, fani willis is being smart and heads up to make sure theres no one in her county who is endangered because of whatever decisions shell make in the next