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MSNBCW Chris July 4, 2024

Her. The dereliction of duty the governor says the State Attorney committed and where this whole fight goes from here. But we start with a pointedly defiant donald trump, very publicly challenging the judge and the system that could send him to prison for the rest of his life even with a critical decision in his d. C. Case potentially just days away. Now, trump was never one as a businessman or politician to heed outside advice, but even with the stakes so high, hes insisting he will fight any charges against him in front of the media and crowds of supporters however he wants to, even if the court orders him not to. Crooked joe now wants the thug prosecutor, this deranged guy to file a court order taking away my First Amendment rights so that i cant speak. So listen to this we dont want you to speak about the case. When we say i cant talk, id love to i will talk about it. I will. Theyre not taking away my First Amendment right. Those remarks could test the legal limits of a protective order thats the subject of a friday hearing and could weigh heavily on judge Tonya Chutkin as she hears arguments about whether the former president can be trusted with government evidence, part of that evidence a previously unknown campaign memo, which was the first to lay out the plot to use fake electors to subvert the 2022 election. Prosecutors are portraying it as a crucial link in how the trump teams efforts evolved into a criminal conspiracy. While all this is unfolding in d. C. , nbc news has confirmed that Fulton County d. A. Fani willis is expected to present her case to a grand jury next week, potentially leading to trumps fourth indictment. A whole lot to get to. I want to bring in nbcs Blayne Alexander Following the case in georgia. Paul butler is a former federal prosecutor, a Law Professor at georgetown and an msnbc legal analyst, and eugene robinson, Washington Post columnist and an msnbc political analyst. Blayne, lets start with the latest on the timing in georgia. What can you tell us . Reporter well, next week, chris, thats what were watching for, and we know that a number of ways. One, were watching the subpoenas. We know that fani willis and her team have already started sending out subpoenas for the people they want to compel to come testify before the grand jury as she presents her case. Now, what has not happened yet, though, is that those people who have received the subpoenas have not gotten a 48hour notice. Nbc news reviewed a copy of the subpoena. Right now theyre whats call on call essentially. So theyre being told that they need to be on standby to testify anytime between now and the end of august, but theyre also being told that they will get a 48hour headsup of when they need to actually make their way to Downtown Atlanta to speak before the grand jury. We spoke with two of those people today, and they confirmed theyve not gotten that 48hour headsup. Shes not going to be presenting the case this week and that then puts us to next week. She sent a letter to Law Enforcement a couple of months ago saying you need to be ready for this period ending next week saying that security around the courthouse needs to be tiekt. Shes got the majority of her staff working from home. Theyve already made some changes insides court he or she. We know, for instance, the Magistrate Court is having virtual hearings. All of that, of course, points to next week as being a very strong week of activity, and when shes going to present that case, chris. All right, blayne, thank you for that. So eugene, remember trump said not too long ago that if hes indicted again, it would clinch the nomination . I was thinking it wasnt too long before that, maybe a couple of months ago, we were talking about how trumps movement and the former president himself seemed to have lost some of his passion. Well, take a look at this moment. Here we go. How can my corrupt political opponent Crooked Joe Biden put me on trial during an Election Campaign that im winning by a lot but forcing me nevertheless to spend time and money away from the Campaign Trail in order to fight bogus, made up accusations and charges. Thats what theyre doing. Im sorry, i wont be able to go to iowa today. I wont be able to go to New Hampshire today because im sitting in a courtroom on [ bleep ] because his Attorney General charged me with something. [ cheers and applause ] [ bleep ] [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. So look, eugene, donald trump is not unique in responding to the energy of a crowd, right, when you Say Something and they like it, chances are youre going to say it again. But what does this tell us about his campaign and potentially his Legal Defense Going Forward . Well, i think the harder the more legal trouble he gets in, the harder hes going to run for president because he wants to become president again so he can get himself out of legal trouble or at least the federal legal trouble. I think he sees that as ultimately his best defense, and you know, this defiance of the protective order, you know, paul butler is the expert on this, but it sounds to me just like noise for the maga base. Theres he can he will continue to talk about the case based on all the information thats already out there, all the witnesses we know are out there from the january 6th committee hearings. He doesnt have to necessarily talk about secret information or witnesses that are revealed in discovery, but i think he wants to make a big show of being defiant, even though i dont think in terms of substance theres necessarily a lot there. All right, so lets go to the expert, paul. You know whats going on. You know hes going out there and basically saying im going to say what i want to say. This is my right to say what i want to say. How do you see the hearing hearing shaping up . So it should be relatively standard because protective orders are common in most criminal cases. A criminal defendant has the right to see the prosecutions evidence before trial, but the public doesnt have a right to that evidence. So trumps lawyers actually agree that there should be restrictions on how trump can use the evidence, but they say what the Special Counsel is asking for is too broad. Jack smith says that special limitations are necessary because of trumps threats on social media and at his campaign rallies, and look, we know that trump is known to go after prosecutors, judges, and witnesses, and theres an element of trumps fan base thats used violence and contemplated attacks on people like Vice President pence and speaker pelosi. Its important to understand that protective orders are different from gag orders. Gag orders say that the parties cant talk about the criminal case at all. Trump so far hasnt been subject to a gag order in any of his three prosecutions. One of the things weve seen, eugene, you know, when he had allegedly some materials that were marked classified that he should not have had at maralago, he liked to show them, right . What do you think the chances are or how challenging it will be for him if he gets information about this case that falls under this order not to say, they dont want me to tell you this, but . Well, look, i think he will want to do that. The question is whether he will actually take that step, something thats clearly covered by the protective order, something thats not public to this point, whether he really wants to take that step or not, which would be a direct challenge to the authority of not just judge chutkin, but the judicial system, and would sort of potentially force her hand towards Something Like a gag or whatever other sanctions she could apply. My guess is that his attorneys will try to keep him from doing that, and i dont know which way it will go. All right, paul, i want to dig into that new reporting from the New York Times. Trump allies have argued, look, this false slate of electors, its really just kind of a backup plan. They put it in place in case trump actually won some of his court challenges. They never thought it would pass muster with the Supreme Court. So is there any criminal liability potentially just in that, or how might it fit into the larger case . It helps jack smith make his case, chris. When i prosecuted conspiracy cases, a lot of times i would tell jurors, look, dont look for a formal agreement where people plot on paper to commit a crime. You can infer a conspiracy from circumstantial evidence, but jack smith now has a document written by Conspirator Number 5 that lays out the whole criminal conspiracy to install fake electors and to pressure pence to violate the constitution. So this is Smoking Gun Evidence of Criminal Intent by the coconspirators. The lawyer who cooks up the scheme flat out states that the Supreme Court is going to reject it, and this makes trumps advice of counsel defense even more problematic. Trump wasnt only told that the fake electors scheme was unconstitutional by legitimate lawyers like the Attorney General, the acting Deputy Attorney general, the white house counsel, even this whack lawyer who created the scheme acknowledged that it was probably illegal. Paul, we also learned today that jack smith got a Search Warrant for trumps twitter account back in january. Im looking at part of the key paragraph here. Based on ex parte affidavits, the District Court found probable cause to search the twitter account for evidence of criminal offenses. Moreover, they found there were reasonable grounds to believe that disclosing the warrant to former President Trump would seriously jeopardize the ongoing investigation. What do you make of that . Its evidence of a couple things. One, we still dont know all of the jack smiths evidence. He lays out a lot in that speaking indictment, but we should understand theres lots of records including possible Phone Records and other social media stuff that we just dont know about. So really revealing on that front. Paul butler, blayne alexander, eugene robinson, thank you all very much. And still to come, 15, thats how many billion dollar Weather Disasters federal experts say have hit the u. S. 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Com tv news right now as a fiery, even hellish scene is unfolding in hawaii. Just take a look at these jaw dropping new images, smoke blanketing the skies of usually idyllic maui where wildfires are being fueled by pounding winds. Multiple structures have been destroyed forcing evacuations and causing Power Outages in several communities. The National Weather service says Hurricane Dora passed south of the island chain and is partly to blame for those wind gusts up to 60 miles per hour. You can see them here blowing debris around. Those treacherous winds complicating Relief Efforts and even downing helicopters as firefighters try to minimize the flame. And coming up in our next hour, ill speak with a Real Estate Expert who has been navigating and avoiding the flames on one of the hawaiian islands. Hell explain what its like on the ground right now, so thats coming up. Now, this is just one of many extreme weather battles playing out here in the u. S. Millions of people under Severe Weather alerts today, the south with blazing heat from texas to florida, and its where we could see 50 new record highs set by the end of saturday. Austin already baking in an historic 32day streak of 100 degree plus, and in miami, for the first time, well, they hit a heat index of 109 or higher for three Straight Days now. It is so hot that a hospital there has paused elective surgeries after an ac unit broke. One Registered Nurse tells the miami herald, quote, its so hot you have to move patients or they risk dying. And this is whats left of one mans delaware home after two massive trees toppled over, smashing into the roof earlier this week. His message, you cant fight mother nature. It was so quick, so high pitched maybe soundi, so different that it was just hairs on the back of the neck and lets run to the basement. Things come on quick, and that was absolutely we had seconds to react. I want to bring in nbc meteorologist michelle grossman. Also with us is stuart stevens, Chief Strategist for mitt romneys 2012 president ial campaign and Senior Adviser to the lincoln project. Good to have both of you here. All right, michelle, i keep asking this question and im sorry about that, but when can we expect americans to start to get a bit of relief here . I know, chris, i wish i could give a better answer. We are going to see this Weather Pattern continuing. We are stuck in this stagnant pressure situation. Its all linked to Climate Change. Things are slowing down, the oceans are warming, its slowing down the jet stream. The jet stream is a really fast wind of air. Were seeing that kind of being pushed to the top. Were seeing this High Pressure anchored in place. Its not budging. Were seeing it week after week, now month after month. Were looking records breaking pretty much daily, monthly, and all time records. No relief as this High Pressure remains in place. We dont see it moving over the next several weeks. Still today 52 million americans under heat alerts stretching from the southwest, the South Central states into the southeast here. There are so many stories of just dangerous situations with households, no airconditioning, even just stoplights melting in this heat. Were looking at excessive heat warnings, austin down to corpus christi, new orleans, tallahassee, tampa, so many spots under an excessive heat warning, and thats because were going to see temperatures into the 90s, once again into the 100s. You factor in the humidity. Some spots feel like 117. That is just unbearable and down right dangerous. Were looking at records breaking once again today. Dallas 105. You have been socked in with that heat. Houston 103. 97 in tallahassee. The record there is 99. Were going to get pretty close. Tomorrow we notice these temperatures dont budge. Were staying right around the 106 degree mark. Houston youre hot too, 104, could tie or break the record of 104. Corpus christi into the triple digits. Same story to the southeast. The southeast, youve broken so many records, especially along the western coast of florida. Orlando today 98 degrees. Miami, 94, the record there is 96 degrees. You factor in the humidity, its going to feel very, very hot. Its not just the southern states. Were looking at the midatlantic really hot too into the mid90s in richmond. Stewart, lets talk politics. Youve got july, the worlds hottest month in recorded history. If we look at arizona, just an example, the death toll there confirmed is around 150 people, hundreds more deaths are under investigation. This is what politico reports. Arizona republicans come back to the state capital earlier this month with, quote, a prayer to ease the scorching heat. Im not going to question the power of prayer. I am going to ask you the question is there something more that can get done here . Yeah, of course there is. Look, this is sadly part of a larger pattern that the Republican Party has become the antiscience party and the antireality party. Which is really to say its not a governing party. Government exists to solve problems. Youre talking about this heat wave down my native mississippi and across the south. Im seeing it in vermont today where they just had the third, 100year flood in 15 years that devastated the state, billions of dollars of damages. So of course a responsible government will address this and treat it as a reality and not make it a political issue. This is sort of a replay of what happened with the vaccine. You mentioned the damage, billions and billions of dollars. Theres also a massive just Disaster Relief price tag. Noaa says 15 separate billion dollar disasters to date this year. So yeah, its a humanitarian issue. Its also clearly a fiscal issue. If not the argument

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