Reproductive care. In theory, turnout would be low, making the initiative easier to pass, and therefore the fall vote on abortion harder to pass. The problem, voters saw through it, and turned out in droves, resoundingly rejecting the gop effort to make it harder to protect access to abortion. An outcome prominent members of the state party worried was inevitable as explained by republican state rep, jamie calendar to ali vitali on this show yesterday. Whats the lesson for your party come tuesday night or wednesday morning, the Ballot Initiative fails . Maybe we should spend more time thinking through things before taking the step. Reporter maybe less read meat for the base, more thoughtfulness. There is a way to provide the red meat and do things in a thoughtful way. And im afraid this was rushed a little bit. Because we had to make a certain deadline to be able to get it done. And i think it could have borne a little more debate. And im not sure if i would have voted to put it on the ballot if it wasnt in that rushed format, if it wasnt a special election. If it didnt seem pretty hypocritical based on what we had done just a few months by eliminating august special elections. Big elections in wisconsin, kentucky, kansas, michigan, montana, california, and vermont. Contests in red, blue and purple states all turning in favor of abortion and or democrats. As the New York Times put to today, Overturning Roe Reshaped liberal swing and moderate Republican Voters into a political force. Joining me now, nbc news correspondent ali vitali who is in columbus, ohio for us. Nbc news chief white house correspondent, peter alexander, and bengy sarlin. The conversation you had yesterday, what are you hearing today . Reporter he was aware of what this could look like for his party at a time when other republicans who championed the issue were still doubling down on it, and i think theyll face the consequences of that if not in the immediate term, certainly they will see the outcome in november when you look at the numbers here, the way the people turned out, the conversations i had yesterday, frankly just standing at a polling place, i asked several people who went in and out of the doors that were then behind me, and i asked if they were people who were the kind that voted in every single election or if this one was special. They said because of the Media Coverage and because of the issues that were at play here, they felt it was important to come out here in the middle of august in an election that was announced on a pretty short time line and make their voice heard. Thats something that has ripple effects outside of the state of ohio but even just the results in and of itself, you look at the fact that it was 57 , thats an overwhelming and clear decisive issue on the no side. Its not 60 , and it underscores the way republican legislatures in this state were aware of the dynamics, and why they were striving for the 60 in the first place. Whats the outlook now, ali, for the Ballot Measure in the fall, the abortion Ballot Measure . Reporter look, this certainly bodes well for it, especially because of the ways we saw abortion be the underlying motivating factor here. Its clear that this was a proxy battle because of course when voters went to the polls yesterday, nothing on their ballot sheet said anything explicitly about abortion, but in the minds of voters, it was clear that those things were linked, even republican proponents of the measure said those things were linked. There were no secrets about what this was, and now were seeing that in this immediate referendum, and you have to imagine that momentum is going to be sustained, especially as weve seen the polling show the energy remains behind democrats on issues like reproductive access. Semafor laid out all of the ways the vote outperforms democrats in certain districts in ohio and even outperformed republicans in districts in ohio. Walk me through what we learned from this state and how it could turn into a message nationally. Weve seen a pretty consistent pattern at this point, now that weve had a few Ballot Initiatives, if they didnt directly deal with abortion, they dealt with them indirectly. Voters are bucking their party if its a straight up and down vote on an issue, theres no candidate, no other issues to worry about. Its not about guns. You can just say its strictly about abortion here, and so we saw the pattern weve seen in other places. Blow out democratic margins and turnout in the suburbs, even if suburbs in ohio that actually do still lean red. There also were cases where some of the areas that have trended towards republicans in the trump era, some of those working class areas, like the youngstown area, again, the no votes dramatically outperformed j. D. Vance, the Republican Senate candidate in 2022. There are clearly voters who have moved to the Republican Party for a variety of reasons. Whatever reason, they do not seem to be turning out or do not seem to be supporting further abortion restrictions here. Theres a Big Senate Race in ohio, one that democrats hope to hold on to, Sherrod Brown is running for reelection. The state, again, has been trending red in recently elections other than this abortion vote. Does this help him . Whats the message about his candidacy next fall . Youre already seeing speculation about what this means for Sherrod Brown. One thing that i think is going to be true of him and also a lot of democratic candidates, is yeah, theyre going to be running on preserving access to abortion. Democrats, every time theres a vote like this, they get more and more confident that this is a message they need to incorporate into their campaigns in a major way. Its not something they should shy away from. Its not something they should hint at. Its not something they should worry or see as a distraction, say, from economic issues. I think were seeing a lot of crowing from democrats that not just in ohio, but in a variety of races in the house and senate and governors races, abortion is going to feature prominently. Peter, i imagine the white house has some thoughts on this. The white house does feel pretty good about what we saw in ohio last night, and frankly, they feel strongly that this demonstrates the emotion, the energy exists around this issue as we get further and further away from the Supreme Court decision. You saw what happened in kansas in the past, a democratic judge at the state Supreme Court, and the recent proxy vote, took place in ohio, were hearing from President Biden who responded overnight saying this measure was in his words a blatant attempt to weaken voters voices and further erode the freedom of women to make their own health care decisions. It speaks volumes that ohioans showed up in an off year election. The peoples power is not diminished in forthcoming elections, including a critical referendum on Whether Women In Ohio will have the freedom to make their own health care decisions. I think its important, to underscore this isnt just an issue we have seen now or in the recent past, but an issue they hope to motivate voters going into 2024. Theyre activists in as many as ten states who are considering efforts to try to create Abortion Protections in their states constitutions. Where this could have a real impact. States that include arizona, a crucial battleground, not just for the president ial race, for Key Senate Race next year, also this issue. Florida, another one of those states where this could be a Difference Maker in some ways. Its going to be interesting, the president ial election, in donald trump ends up being the nominee. While donald trump created the conditions to overturn roe v. Wade, he put the justices in place that made the decision. He has not been vocal about it on the campaign trail the way that some of the other candidates have been. He hasnt said there should be an x week ban on abortions federally. Hes not going that far. So, peter, does the white house have an idea of how, if it is donald trump, how theyre going to go after him on this issue. Have they started strategizing that . I dont know that they have started strategizing that. To your point they feel strongly that the former president s position, the issue of republicans on this issue is clear having put in place three of the justices, the conservative justices that allowed for the overturning of roe v. Wade here, so i think they think this is a winning issue. Among other things, it benefits the white house, the president , candidate biden for 2024. It does draw attention away from his low approval ratings, from other issues that have been on peoples minds, including the economy and inflation, now coming down, but its been high over the course of the past couple of years. They realize this is a motivating issue, the president , Vice President , both speaking out about it last night, and as evidenced by 57 voting against whats called issue one there, its obvious that it brings people to the polls. This was an arcane legislative proposal in the middle of august, and yet more than 3 Million People showed up, that shows a lot. It is a lot of people. One more question on the general election and the coming elections in 2024. The republicans are running on wokism, antiwokism, law and order, the border, et cetera. The democrats have had the economy on their side, if they want to pound that. The bidenomics issues have turned well for them. This issue of abortion, have we seen evidence that it proves to be a more powerful turnout, motivator for turnout than law and order, than the border, than wokism . For the most part, yes, simply put, democrats have been turning out in much higher numbers than you might expect. Its special elections in the off year. Some of this has to do with changes in the party. Democrats consist more of College Educated voters, which tend to be high turnout voters in general. The phenomenons we saw in the midterms, democrats had an unusually good night. They have continued into 2023. This fits a pattern. One thing that could concern republicans a bit, this wokism message has not quite been tested in a lot of races where its had a clear decisive success. This is one of several of these abortion or abortion referenda where the republican ads were not strictly about abortion. In fact, a lot of them were about trying to argue that a future Abortion Initiative would somehow indirectly enable the state to force parents to accept Gender Transitions from children. Some of the things, that, for example, ron desantis and others talk a lot about in the president ial trail. Once again, theres no sign it seemed to influence voters or turn out voters who were very motivated by those issues in polls or the media. That is a concern for them. Thats an interesting pnt be so good to see you. Thank you for joining us today. Paradise is burning. Wildfires in maui are forcing people to flee into the oceanof fuel all of this . Plus, quote, a bold controversial strategy, what a just revealed Trump Campaign memo is telling us about the fake elector plot to overturn President Bidens 2020 win. First up, though, when will Fulton County d. A. Fani willis present her case against donald trump to a garage . We finally have an answer. Well give it to you in 60 seconds. Well give it to you in 60 seconds. [bones cracking] tense music one aleve works all day so i can keep working my magic. Just one aleve. 12 hours of uninterrupted pain relief. Aleve. Who do you take it for . Have fun, sis cant stop adding stuff to your cart . Get the Bank Of America customized cash rewards card, choose the Online Shopping category and earn 3 cash back. Trying vapes to quit smoking choose the online sho might feelory like progress, but with 3x more nicotine than a pack of cigarettes vapes Increase Cravings trapping you in an endless craving loop. Nicorette reduces cravings until theyre gone for good. There is movement in georgia, Fulton County d. A. Fani willis is expected to present her interference case against donald trump next week. Nbc news has learned the case of two individuals subpoenaed to testified. Joining me now nbc news correspondent Blayne Alexander whos at the Fulton County courthouse. Who are these two people . Reporter well, katy, theyre two people that we have heard the names of before in reference to this, Lieutenant Governor, former Lieutenant Governor in georgia, jeff duncan, the other is a former state lawmaker, jen jordan. The third is a former lawmaker, nguyen. We reviewed one of the subpoenas, we know theyre being called to be available to testify between now and the end of the month. As it gets closer to when fani willis is going to make the presentation, theyre going to get 48 hours notice. This morning i spoke with both jeff duncan and jen jordan. They tell me they have not gotten the 48 hours notice. What that tells us is this is not going to go before a grand jury this week. Thats why were looking closely at next week. As for who those people are, katy, and how they fit into the d. A. s case, jen jordan, and vi nguyen were two people among a group of lawmakers who heard a presentation from Rudy Giuliani where he espoused debunked claims. They will testify about what they heard, and the former governor can speak to what donald trump said in the days following the election. When we talk about timing here, this is something that were watching very closely, of course, because you see the security behind me. We know that preparations are being made both outside and inside the Courthouse Due to a number of threats that have come into Fulton County, come into the d. A. , the sheriff, since we have been getting closer and closer to the announcement of charging decisions. The d. A. Said she plans to have this done by september 1st, and shes book marked this period ending next week as when she would announce those charging decisions, again, for Security Purposes and making sure everything is as it needs to be ahead of possible protests or possible unrest here, katy. Blayne alexander in Fulton County for us, blayne, thank you very much. And coming up next, what was jack smith looking for on Donald Trumps twitter account . We just learned he obtained a Search Warrant to search through it. Plus, an fbi shootout with the man who threatened the president. What happened . Coming up. The president. What happened . Coming up. Woman why did we choose safelite . We were loading our suv when. Crack safelite came right to us, and we could see exactly when theyd arrive with a replacement we could trust. Thats service the way we want it. Singers safelite repair, safelite replace. Age is just a number, and mines unlisted. 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