Prosecutor will begin presenting her case to grand jury setting up a fourth possible indictment. And speaking of iowa, ron sdaens did not have a great time there. He was heckled several times by Trump Supporters and trolled by the former president s campaign. Also ahead, a Special Counsel is appointed in the doj investigation of hunter biden. Well explain the new development. And plus an update on the Catastrophic Maui Wildfire which is now the deadliest in more than history. Joe, the scenes are just staggering. Yeah, what a tragedy. Unspeakable tragedy. And it seems to have been a Perfect Storm. Winds blowing and whipping around, a lot of people saying they should have turned off the electricity. But the response from officials, that is how they were keeping the water pumps going. Really just again a Perfect Storm, a disaster of unspeakable proportions for the people there. And well be covering that obviously across the four hours. And also a lot going on in politics this past weekend. Almost a bar fight between the desantis and trump people at one point. Which actually started, it is crazy, i think first time, Jonathan Lemire, in the history of politics that a bar fight started when one side said you know you lost the campaign. And it heated up from there. But youve been in the position of Vaughn Hillyard getting shouted down former president calling him a wise guy. He has so many charges against him. And one conviction basically amounts to a life sentence. So if he is not talking about a possible plea deal, he is not a wise guy, in fact he is quite dumb. He cant bs his way out of this. Almost like that he fighting against the New York Post in 1977. This is so much different. Mr. Wise guy not a terribly unflattering wise guy. Trump has called me a flee bag, that i dont have what it takes. So i know everyone else on this show has gotten them too. But this is donald trump throughout much of his life. He flat out lies to escape trouble. He became wealthy, got a tv show and eventually became president. And dogged by scandal after scan dell, and then even after being impeached, he still lives in maralago, he is someone who still in demand in political rallies. But this is different. He is facing these federal cases and his Bank Shot Strategy here to win is to be elected and make those go away, so selfpardon. He cant do that in georgia. And he is now usual tactics arent going to work. And he cannot adjust facing the Contempt Charge and he is someone who is for the first time may actually face consequences that will change his life. And it really does seem as if he doesnt get it because, again, he is going after the judge as if in the d. C. Case as if he wants to be brought up on Contempt Charges. And he has won in politics by disrupting. He ran against a bunch of people who had no clue how to respond to that. And they were in Donald Trumps domain. He owned the stage he knew how to work the cameras, he knew how to work the crowds. He knew how to do that. Federal court is so completely different. And if he is thinking that he can abuse the judge, that he can start riots, that he can make a mockery of that process, the federal judge will not allow that to happen. And in fact no federal judge will allow that to happen. We look at other than the one he has in south florida, we look at the very conservative 11th circuit. No nonsense, all business on those families from appeals from con non. They are no nonsense, and they reject trumps statements. And we have a georgia indictment most likely looming. So we have to go back to what trump is talking about with Vaughn Hillyard calling him a wise guy. If he is not thinking about a plea deal, he is living on another planet because he is in such great legal jeopardy and as papers are reporting this weekend and of course it makes sense, you have four, five indictments coming your way plus all of the civil charges . He is running out money. Well, well talk to vaughn next hour. And i will say that one reason why he may not be thinking of a plea deal or wanting to consider that is this is a man who has faced 77 years of his life of no consequences. Of always being able to skirt the law, skirt the rules and foundational ethics. He has found a way to get Ash Everything that he has put in his path. So well see. But it is definitely heating up because he is not backing off. Along with Jonathan Lemire and joe and me, we have elysor dan, and also Charlie Sykes and also chuck rosenberg. And as we were just mentioning, as he awaits possible charges in georgia, which could happen this week, trump is already testing the limits of a new protective order put in place in the federal Election Interference case against him. This is the one of course playing out in washington, d. C. Now, in court on friday, judge Tanya Chutkan ruled that Going Forward trumps lawyers must review any notes he takes while looking at sensitive materials to make sure that he is not copying down personal information about witnesses. She also prohibited him from having a phone out while reviewing those materials for the same reason. Prosecutors requested the order after trump started attacking potential witnesses, Special Counsel jack smith and even the judge herself on social media. Friday judge chutkan warned that while he has a First Amendment right to free speech, that right is not absolute. Shed a the more a party makes inflammatory statements, greater you are against city that we proceed to trial quickly. The mo inflammatory statements, greater you are against city that we proceed to trial quickly. Despite trumps lawyers saying that he would abide by the rules, it didnt take long. On social media last night in addition to calling jack smith a deranged low life prosecutor, the former president went after the judge herself with her photo and a caption falsely claiming that she is running Election Interference against trump and that she obviously wanted him behind bars. Last night neal katyal posted that it would not surprise me if judge chutkan called an appearance given his remarks. Wouldnt it be in his best interests to push this to the limit . No, it is not in his best interests to push it in some ways. I think it does. No, here is the thing. We are all so accustomed to donald trump saying outrageous things and getting away with it. Just like we were accustomed to that guy that was lying about sandy hook parents saying really outrageous things about everybody. And then he got A Billion Dollar settlement. Tucker carlson on fox news saying the most outrageous things. And so i guess you just get away with it. No. Why . Because the great leveling wind is a judicial system. Donald trump thinks that he is fighting against the post in 1977 and against marco rubio in 2016. Against clueless people like you and me on news that they can set up as you know, set up straw men and knock them down. I guarantee you, you can say what you want about the lowly country law that happens to fall off a turnip truck and get a tv show, you cannot do that to a federal judge. Especially a federal judge who is unanimously selected by the United States senate. I think a 980 confirmation and perhaps one of the most respected judges in that district. And so i want to bring in chuck here. You may disagree with me, but from where i come from, you start lying about federal judges and posting their pictures, from where i come, bad things have happened in alabama to federal judges in the past. They have been blown up when they try to open up packages. And federal judges dont take these sort of accusations and threats lightly. And so im curious what may lie ahead for mr. Trump and given your years of experience in the federal court, what would happen to any other criminal defendant that behaved this way and thumbed his nose at a federal judges ruling . First let me tell you what lies ahead for mr. Trump. And the road were on a bumpy and messy, but it leads to a federal courthouse and a trial and a jury where mr. Trump does not control the venue. But from the perspective of a prosecutor, it is fine if he doesnt plead guilty. 50 or 60 dont want to plead guilty . Fine, we get paid either way. We go to trial. So even though it will be messy, but he will end up in a federal courtroom in trial pursuant to the rules of law and evidence that he doesnt control. That is where this goes. The hard thing for the judge, really for everyone who cares about the Fair Administration of justice between now and then is that it will be hard to keep this by sort of in line. We get that. The judge understands that. Thereare Graduated Punishments that she could impose. She could order a gag rule, hold him in contempt. And if it gets really bad, federal prosecutors have a solution. Remember they superseded charges in the Southern District of florida, if he is going after witnesses, harassing them, they can charge him with that. One way or the other, this lead ises to a federal courtroom and where he has no control. And if any other defendant would being haf this way, what would be happening to them right now . I feel like trump will push it to the limit. His pattern in any other situation, he is he is unstoppable in terms of his relentless abuse of the truth and the rules. And i just wonder sfen back to my initial question, any other defendant who has done this, would they be treated differently . Yeah, you know, it is hard to compare him to every other defendant. He is a Violent Narcicisstic man. But the judge has tools. She has to be careful. The man is running for president whether we like it or not. And he is entitled to his First Amendment political speech as any other candidate would be. But there will be orders that he might violate. If he does, my go is that he will be treated like any other defendant. Is that he will be treated like any other defendant. She could hold him in contempt and department of justice can supersede. And i may be wrong, but i believe this, he will be treated like any other defendant. Charlie sykes, you can answer any of the previous question that i passed to chuck. But as chuck says, he will end up in federal court. And it will be sooner rather than later because the more he acts this way, she says that the greater the requirement to speed up the process. So suddenly were looking at a january trial if there is a conviction, a february you know, a possible conviction by february. I cant imagine the Appeals Court dragging things out too long. He could be facing the music by spring. To chucks point, i mean, none of this is normal and we shouldnt pretend it is. But this is an amazing stress test for the Miles Per Hour judicial system because donald trump is daring the judge. He is baiting the judge. To mikas point, it is as if he is goading to see how he can push this. What is interesting is how she responds to all of this. And id be interested on whether or not the judge sort of finding him in Contempt Of Court can cause him and his lawyers in and say id like you to explain now what you moon by these statements. Ask him point by point, explain what you mean. Im not a lawyer. Im not sure how the Fifth Amendment applies to this, but during a healing like this, does she have the ability to say would you explain why you should not be held in contempt. Or sort of that, say lets walk through this tweet. What were you saying, what are you implying here, does receive the ability to do that, is that possible . Great question. I think that she can certainly call that hearing. She can summon mr. Trump and his lawyers. She can put the question to the lawyers. She can put it to in trump. There might be a Fifth Amendment issue and his lawyers may intervene. But i found when federal judges get really mad, they dont want to hear from the parties, they want to tell the parties something. In this case knock it off. Because the next thing that happens is contempt. And after that and this is a always a possibility. If you dont follow my order, i revoke your bail. Bail is granted to people who obey court orders. It permits you to stay out of prison pending trial. That is an act of grace. If he continues to push the judge, that could be revoked. And this act of grace currently be stowed on Somebody Running for president. And even if he feels like he is head strong, youd think that there is some lawyer saying this could get you in jail. But he is relentless. Certainly to this point it has worked for him to plate victim to allege a deep state conspiracy against him. He is trying that card against her now. About this is really risky, isnt it . You look back at 2016 and there are various points, granted they were fleeting, but i think in august or so of the election as it neared against hillary clinton, he modulated his behavior just a tine city tensy bit and he had a rise in the polls. But he has the ability about he doesnt see the legal risk. Ensy the polls. But he has the ability about he doesnt see the legal risk. But with all these grab bag of charges against him, no gop primary candidates are using it at all. You look at iowa and you get from ron desantis a very tepid, oh, he lost the election and that is about as extreme as it is going when they have so much material and they could say too much baggage with this guy, look at this. But instead, you see how donald trump has been able to annihilate ron desantis by this stage because he really is just trying to be a repackaged trump like most of the other candidates except Chris Christie. After more than two years of investigation, fani willis will begin presenting her case before a grand jury. A majority of that grand jury will have to sign off on an indictment for willis team to press charges against former President Trump and or his allies. At least two witnesses subpoenaed by the d. A. s office have confirmed their scheduled dates to appear. Geoff duncan tweeted that he will testify tomorrow. And jenn jordan and also bee nguyen are confirmed. And so lets bring in our political reporter greg bluesteen. Great to have you on. We had heard all along that this time frame was the georgia time frame for potential indictment. The fact that the folks that i just named are testifying this week, does it indicate that were still perhaps some time a away from possible charges if any . No, to us it indicates that these could be as early as tuesday. Weve kind of known for a while that this would be the week where the grand jury could be meeting to determine whether or not there could be charges against the former president and his allies. Now we know that geoff duncan and the independent journalist are both testifying tuesday. So we think the time line looks as early as tuesday. Walk us through some of the possible charges that donald trump could face and whether this particular investigation unlike some of the others may span beyond trump and others may also get indicted . This is an investigation that could very well expand and believed to expand beyond donald trump to his inner circle and to others who try to overturn his election results. And biggest charge is rico charges. Fani willis is an expert on this. These are expansive charges that have been used against Organized Crime and street gangs. And she has pursued charges against rap groups that could involve rico charges. And also they could be used against donald trump. She has employed experts in rico. So that is why were looking at charges beyond donald trump. About 20 or so people involved in the effort to undermine joe bidens victory here in georgia received criminal target letters. At least eight Fake Electors have agreed to Immunity Deals but another dozen or so are on the table. And with all that, Chris Christie offered his take on a possible fourth indictment. Let me remind the viewers out there, if he is indicted in atlanta as we are anticipating, well have the frontrunner for the republican nomination for president out on bail in four different jurisdictions. New york, miami, washington and atlanta. What i think Republican Voters have to ask themselves is two things. First, is he really the nguyen under indictment in four different days, can he really beat joe biden and when are we going to stop pretend willing that this is normal . Willing that this is normal . In terms of georgia, from what we know so far and the napes of people who are still testifying, those who have received Immunity Deals, what can we read from that in terms of what charges might be against trump if there is a possible indictment which appears likely and also just tagging on the end here, if the judge in d. C. Or georgia decided to revoke his bail, how complicated is that with the Secret Service . Second question first. Complicated. And i think there are ways go it. I think logistically for the Secret Service which protects mr. Trump, it becomes very complicated. She could also put him up done house arrest which would be easy 00ier for it could be worse for him but easier on the Secret Service. And on the first question, it looks like rico charges are quite responsible. What makes that interesting, it lets the prosecutor go broad and sweep in a lot of conduct. Georgia went broad and added more act that the could be swecht into a rico charge. And even more than the feds. And so what you might see out of