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MSNBCW Chris July 4, 2024

The man behind the art of the deal says not to expect one in atlanta. In atlanta. So the everexpanding and extraordinary logistical and political challenges ahead for trump and his 2024 rivals. Ill be talking to republican president ial candidate will hurd next. Also this hour, the Monumental Task ahead in hawaii, now the site of the deadliest wildfire in modern u. S. History. The death toll likely to climb as crews search the ruins with the gruesome task of identifying the remains of the missing. Stories of heartbreak and anger as locals face questions about what they say was a lack of warning by the authorities. Where were you guys . Where were you guys to try to get us out, evacuate us . Were mad. Were mad. We didnt just lose our homes. We lost our town. What the rescue and Recovery Mission looks like coming up. But we begin in Fulton County, georgia, where a jury can vote on a possible fourth criminal indictment in the next 48 hours. The New York Times calls this case an upclose portrait of American Democracy tested to its limits. If it happens, it would be trumps second indictment this month tied to election interference. The first youll remember in d. C. Overnight, just days after judge Tanya Chutkan warned trumps lawyers, and im quoting her here, the more a party makes inflammatory statements about this case, the greater the urgency will be that we proceed to trial quickly. Trump responded, blatantly defiant, reposting to his account attacks that include her photo and calling her, quote, racist, very biased and unfair and the investigation a waste of time. Today trump is turning his attacks directly toward Fulton County d. A. Fani willis trying to sow doubt in both her integrity and the investigation which he continues once again to call a witch hunt. I want to bring in nbcs Vaughn Hillyard closely following the Trump Campaign. Former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst paul butler is with us as well. Vaughn, multiple people subpoenaed by the d. A. Have been spotted inside the courthouse today. What have you seen today . Reporter importantly we know the grand jury here is convened and its heard from multiple witnesses. This is part of District Attorney fani willis Closing Presentation to the grand jury before ultimately asking them to approve the charges that she will intend to seek, most likely tomorrow. We know tomorrow the grand jury is planning to convene again because former Lieutenant Governor geoff duncan said he will go and testify before that grand jury tomorrow. We know here over the next 48 hours fani willis could very well present to the grand jury her final presentation and seek an indictment of donald trump in his up to more than a dozen allies of his related to the efforts to overturn the 2020 election here in georgia. We know there are multiple lines of inquiry from Rudy Giulianis presentation to a Senate Subcommittee here in Georgia In November of 2020, to Donald Trumps Phone Call Pressuring Secretary Of State raffensperger to find more votes, to efforts to put together the fake electors scheme, to also the alleged tampering of Voter Machines in coffee county, georgia. There is much that could amount to even potentially racketeering charges. We know that grand jury is still meeting as we speak right now, chris. Paul, we know the parameters of the case. Its what happened between November 2020 and january 2021 to try to overturn Election Results in georgia. Whats the case Fani Willis Needs to and presumably is presenting to the grand jury right now . Chris, d. A. Willis could follow the special counsels lead and go simple, for example, by just charging donald trump with election interference. But nobody expects that based on what this Georgia Grand Jury has been doing. I think d. A. Willis is likely to throw the book at trump and a bunch of his alleged coconspirators with a Big Racketeering indictment. These are huge, complicated cases. But if you ask criminal lawyers which d. A. S know how to bring these cases, the first name would be fani willis and Fulton County. Shes brought racketeering charges against school teachers, against hiphop artists, and now donald trump and his coconspirators are very likely to catch their first racketeering case. The other argument, obviously, paul, is that this isnt any other defendant, right . This is the former president of the United States who is a frontrunner for his partys nomination. So let me ask you about this decision to make it so broad. I think there were, what, 18 people around who got letters saying they may be a target of that investigation, very different from what we saw with the Special Prosecutor who decided to keep his case just to trump. What do you make of this decision if it is what we think its going to be, which is that this wont just be donald trump if it happens . Right. Chris, i expect at some Point Jack Smith will charge other coconspirators with donald trump with regard to federal crimes related to january 6th. Jack smith went simple and short because he wants his case tried first with this big complicated Georgia State racketeering charge. Of the four cases where trump is facing criminal prosecution, this is almost certainly likely to go last. I doubt if Fani Willis Minds that, because a lot of the evidence in her case will, of course, be heard in the federal trial. She would president mind hearing how a jury responds to that evidence. Bottom line, are georgia law allows anybody who participated in a criminal conspiracy be held accountable to all the crimes that went down. If they committed one down as part of a scheme, theyre held accountable for all of the other crimes as well. That would include donald trump. Nbcs Blayne Alexander is also outside the Fulton County courthouse. What are we hearing from the witnesses, if anything at all . Reporter were hearing a couple of things. We know the former State Lawmakers came into the building. They confirmed they testified. We spoke to a reporter from our affiliate, saying they were attentive, paying attention, doing their duties, very complimentary of them. Nguyen put out a statement and said in part, today i reaffirm my allegiance to our state and country, no individual is above the law, and saying she will take part in whatever is necessary to uphold democracy. Whats interesting about all of this, chris, we know that nguyen also testified before the special grand jury last year. Remember, this is a grand jury that was convened to investigate. They dont have indictment powers, but they were convened at the d. A. s request to investigate to where we are right now. Really what were seeing right now from the d. A. Is this greatest moment, witting down all those many 75 witnesses and bringing those who presumably believe will provide the most support for her case as she presents it to the grand jury and seeks indictments. Vaughn, you have his comments against judge chutkan just days after his lawyers promised trump would take her admonition seriously, consistent with practice we can say for sure, vaughn, but not, it would seem, recognizing that this time could be very different. Reporter right, donald trump seems to have every intention of fighting this. I asked him explicitly at the Iowa State Fair, upon his departure from iowa on saturday, whether theres any chance he would take a plea deal. Take a listen. I dont do plea deals. We did nothing wrong. We dont take plea deals. Its a wise guy question. We dont take plea deals because i did nothing wrong. Its called election interference. Reporter for facts sake, donald trump has accepted a plea deal in the past. It was in the Trump University case in 2016 in which he settled the suit for 25 million. Hes wrong on that front. He has shown a willingness to settle in the past. When it comes to the criminal cases in front of him, hes been quite openly defying not only judge chutkans requests they should take exceeding precautions about their public statements so as not to interfere with the judicial system and the process. Also just this morning, directly on his social media account, donald trump directly telling Lieutenant Governor geoff duncan that he shouldnt quote, that he shouldnt testify. For donald trump there is a potential georgia statute, criminal code, that makes it illegal to influence a witness. Donald trump quite defiantly here, as he has shown in these weeks as related to his other indictments continues in georgia to show a willingness to go directly up individuals who have testified against him as well as those overseeing these cases. Paul, would it surprise you if judge chutkan decided to call a hearing as a result of what hes been posting . It would surprise me if she did it based on these comments. Last week she warned trump against intimidating witnesses and leaking evidence, but she also told him not to make inflammatory comments. She said specifically she wanted to protect the integrity of the proceeding. Chris, its so predictable that trump is going to violate. So judge chutkan will have to decide whether this counts. I expect shell be more focused on threats and witness intimidation and improper disclosure of evidence than she will on trumps comments about her Sentencing Practices in other cases. But to be sure, this is donald trump you used just the right word, chris testing. Hes testing boundaries. Like when a toddler is told he has to stay in his room, the toddler pokes his head out the door or takes a couple steps outside to see what he can get away with. Judge chutkans order came down on friday. Trump is doing this kind of testing sunday, monday. At some point the judge is going to answer him, but its going to be at a time that she chooses, not donald trump. Vaughn hillyard, thank you. Paul butler will be back with us a little later this hour. Still to come, growing anger in hawaii. Residents there now asking where were the warnings. The Ha Why Helicopter Touring Company Getting supplies to areas that need it most. G suppl areas that need it most. Not flossing well . Then add the whoa of listerine to your routine. New science shows listerine is 5x more effective than floss at reducing plaque above the gumline. For a cleaner, healthier mouth. Ahhhhh. Listerine. Feel the whoa my Mental Health was much better, but i struggled with uncontrollable movements called td, tardive dyskinesia. Td can be caused by some Mental Health meds. And its unlikely to improve without treatment. I felt like my movements were in the spotlight. 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New photos and videos affirming what weve been seeing for days now, apocalyptic landscapes, Cars Incinerated by the blaze, homes burned to the ground, just their mailboxes or an occasional fireplace remaining. Authorities say theyve only completed 3 of the search. That painstakingly slow search for survivors is fueling more anger and frustration, people left with critical questions unanswered. Did their family, friends and homes survive . Theyre not moving fast enough. Its been too long. Its been six days. Where were you guys . Where were you to try to get us out, evacuate us . Were mad. Were mad. We didnt just lose our home, we lost our town. I know they i ear busy and they have things to do. Somebody has to come talk to us. I lost everything and i cant even get back home to help my family out. Theyre blocking the road. They havent passed out one simple water bottle. Nothing. Theyre sitting there not letting our families starve. Dana griffin is in maui for us. What more are you hearing from people today . Reporter it is 7 00 a. M. Monday morning here in hawaii. Were hearing from people who, like you just played those sound bites, theyre very frustrated on so many fronts, about the sirens not going off, the tsunami sirens usually help warm people to go inland. Now the question is, if the sirens have gone off, would it help save people or put them in more danger . The roads are only open to those who can prove they live in lahaina. We have family and friends desperate to get there. They want to search for people or try to find maybe a loved ones car to try to see for themselves whether that person is still there or not. Youve got a lot of humanitarian aid going on. That is the bright side in this story. This community has pulled together. We saw another truck load of donations dropped off. The pastor here tells me they have 30 to 40 people inside. A lot of people are being put in temporary hotels. Theyll be there for about 30 days. The big concern is what happens after those 30 days, where are they going to go . This church says, if they have to, theyll open up again to make sure people have somewhere to stay. Over the weekend, i spoke with two women that were really frustrated about the conditions in lahaina and beyond because they felt like a lot of the resources being brought to these shelters should be taken there. Listen to what they told me. Do not go to lahaina thinking that youre going to get fed when you realize there are no resources, no stores for you. Everything is empty. Theres nothing out there. You know what . Just fair warning. Fair warning. A lot of people are angry. A lot of bad things is happening. People are going into survival mode. Reporter going into survival mode. I can report that at least one Grocery Store has opened it will be open for 24 hours. The state is offering free shuttles for residents in lahaina and beyond to come to central maui to try to get whatever necessities they can. Two gas stations have opened up there. Hopefully that will help people who maybe are trapped to get out and come down and check in with Family Members. Again, hundreds are still missing. This is going to be a very slow process, to try to identify all these bodies. So many Family Members are being asked to give their dna to try to identify some of those victims. Chris. Brutal. Nbcs dana griffin, thank you. I know youll keep us updated. I want to turn to the president of Blue Hawaiian helicopters, quinton koch. Hes using his Helicopter Tour Company to help with Relief Efforts on the island. Thank you so much nor being with us. What is it like where you are right now . What are you and your team seeing . Its been a devastating week seeing all the travesty and all the impact. In hawaii, were all related, all connected. Everybody knows everybody. Seeing the outcry, anger, its definitely been frustrating. But theres also signs of hope. Where you see our pilots, normally Tourism Pilots becoming heroes and stepping up and providing that food to lahaina, water supplies, its amazing to see how the community has been pulling together to make a difference wherever we can. Give us a sense of what your choppers and pilots have been doing, which i know has included Keeping Firefighters supplied. What are you seeing as the most urgent need and how are you able to help . Theres an airport on the west side of maui, the closest airport. Normally two small regional flights a day. Now weve been using it as the hell port and bringing our helicopters over to get supplies in as quickly as possible. The road has been clos

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