Prepare for the trial. Oh my goodness all the networks wow then, why a federal judge suggested elon musk was protecting donald trump from the production of his twitter plus, real evidence that many criminal charges across for indictments is having an effect on trump voters. And, one year after it was signed, the simple math and wild success of the Inflation Reduction Act, when all in starts, right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. A donald trump and his 18 codefendants in that rico indictment must turn themselves in at the Fulton County jail in Atlanta Georgia within nine days. There they will be booked, processed, and mugshot taken ahead of the arraignments which District Attorney fani willis wants to take place the first week of september. Today willis also proposed a trial date for this case in the efforts to overturn the 2020 election in georgia and elsewhere. She requested Begin On March 4th Of Next year. That is the day before super tuesday. Now of course there is one name that stands out above all the others in this sweeping trump, it listed first, long trump, but the second most wellknown name here is of course rudolph william luis giuliani. Weve been expecting this for quite some time. Weve been expecting to see Rudy Giulianis name on this indictment ever since prosecutors in williss office informed giuliani he was a target of the investigation. About a year ago. But it is still a remarkable fall from grace for a man who was once a pretty widely renowned public figure. Giuliani rose to National Prominence as the Star United States attorney for the Southern District of new york, a gop held from 1883 to 1989. There he oversaw the prosecutions of members of the mob, corrupt government officials, earned a tough on crime reputation, which are used to launchs political career. After giuliani became mayor of new york in 1983, he has totally cultivated the image as the man singlehandedly responsible, just him, for cleaning up the city and bringing law and order. Then in the wake of september 11th, he was americas mayor. Rudy was a front runner for the republican president ial nomination in 2008, though that didnt go that well. And now here, in 2023, at 79 years old, Rudy Giuliani has been indicted for his role and what prosecutors call a criminal enterprise. He is an alleged racketeer, the onetime future president to disgraced laughing stock. In recent years, he has been best known for a series of hat comical, have villainous escapades, like presenting ludicrous claims of voter fraud in front of the four seasons total landscaping. And another Press Conference a few weeks later with hair day trickling down his Sweat Streaked faith. He is awful and often unreadable conversations with the subordinate are all over the internet with a really unsettling Sexual Harassment lawsuit. Even a punchline in a borat movie in the final chapter of his life, Rudy Giuliani is the arp object of ridicule and scorn. He is reputationally and financially near bankruptcy. He is looking at the possibility of living the rest of his days on this earth in prison. How did it happen . How did the once cleaners a whistle Crime Fighter, the law and order, man the americas mayor who led us through such dark moments, how did he end up like this . What happened to rudy . You hear that a lot. I will submit if we take a close all look there is a case to be made, rudy has been this verdie version of rudy the whole time, or least had it in him. In fact rudy himself made a revealing statement to that effect last night when he emerged from his shame bunker to address the indictment. This is a ridiculous application of the Racketeering Statute, and theres probably no one knows it better than i do. Probably some that know it as well. I was the first one to use it in white collar cases. But in major cases like the boesky case, in the milken case, this is not meant for election disputes. This is ridiculous, what shes doing. Rudy is correct. He really did pioneer the use of racketeering laws, often shorthanded as rico, to go after white collar criminals. It was an innovation of his, like michael milken, as he mentioned. He brought rico charges against a mob, the five families in new york, helping to bring down organized crime in new york. According to new reporting for the messenger, wiseguys are rejoicing in the wake of giulianis own rico indictment. Veteran mob lawyer says his client are, quote, effing thrilled. Giuliani also used illegal laws to go after corruption in politics. One of the ways he kickstarted his own electoral career in the city of new york was turning his office, u. S. Attorneys office, attention to the Democratic Political machine of the city, which he was, of course, going to run against, in the race for mayor. In 1996, he took down Stanley FriedmanOn Racketeering charges. That was a democrat from the bronx, one of new yorks most powerful political figures, as the New York Times pointed at the time. By his own admission, rudy used rico alassad against his political enemies, including the man whose job he won. Democratic lawyer and catch. The rico statute, i was the first one to use the Racketeering Statute for a public corruption. I did it against most of aired cautious administration. [laughter] well, ed wasnt paying attention while they were stealing millions. Think about this. The u. S. Attorney that wants Political Office in the city prosecuting the opposing party, using the power to do that. You might charitably call that weaponizing the Justice Department for his own political ends. Giuliani lost his first race but he succeeded the second time around, after embracing some of the ugliest most demagogic reject races politics that trump would later minor to great effect. In September 1993 he infamously appeared at a police rally that turned into an allout riot, and he refused to decry or denounce it. As mayor giuliani oversaw an incredible increase in surveillance and policing of black and brown new yorkers, and one notorious incident he demonized an unarmed black man who was shot and killed by the police. Clearly even his recent turn as a public face of, frankly, racist accusations of voter fraud, is not really new. Take earlier in the day, ruby freeman and Shaye Freeman mass and one of the gentlemen quite obvious obviously surreptitiously passing around usb as if they were vials of heroin and cocaine. Its obviously to anyone who is a criminal investigator a prosecutor, theyre engaged and surreptitious illegal activity. Again, that day. That was false. Ruby freeman and shaye moss actually sued Rudy Giuliani protect formation. But that kind of rhetoric, talking about these two black women, of being drug dealers, stealing an election, that goes way back to the 1989 race for mayor. 1989 race for mayor which giuliani lost to the first black man elected as mayor in new york, david jenkins. As he told in an interview, 21 years ago, and im quoting it here, they stole that election from me, they stall votes in the black parts of brooklyn, and in washington heights, illegal dominican immigrants were allowed to vote in washington heights. That sounds familiar, doesnt it . Has a certain ring to it. Let me tell you, as a lifelong new yorker, reporters in new york city and critics will tell you, Rudy Giuliani has always been an absolute machiavellian operator. So yeah, you might say, what happened to rudy . Or you could say, this has always been rudy. All the way to the end. Nick ackerman rebriefly worked alongside giuliani was serving as an assistant u. S. Attorney for the Southern District of new york. Ackerman was the First Federal prosecutor to use rico statute to prosecute a mafia boss. This is a adam serwer, is author of the book the cruelty is the point. Let me talk to you, adam, about the continuity question. Its something youve written about and thought about and how you see the trajectory of giulianis career which is culminating in a very serious felony indictment. If you look at the back of those in races in new york city, those races are a kind of blueprint make new york city great again. Very much rooted in the and a reaction to demographic changes in new york that were represented by the election of the first black mayor in the city. When you go back and look at the rhetoric in that election, he is comparing David Denkins to david duke, calling him racist. You can see the influence of giuliani on the Trump Campaign and on trumps style politics. Its a great point. I think what really happened is neither giuliani changed. The country changed. We changed. We became more perceptive of this kind of manipulation. When we look back at it now its very obvious. But at the time that was considered unacceptable form of politics, and people didnt really get angry at it in the same way. Or rather white people didnt get angry in the same way. Lots of black new yorkers were screaming murder about it. I will say, that police riot that he was president out was extremely controversial at the time. That was a really notable event and ugly. Ugly in a way that i think was covered as such in the press. It had an appeal that carried him over and made him politically successful. Nick, You Cross Paths with him in that same new york attorneys office. I dont want to overstate the case, because when you look at tape of the guy in 1990, he 19 and i, and hes just a better public speaker, a better public speaker, a better version of himself that he is now. But what do you think of this trajectory . I think he was definitely online to go into politics. He was using the u. S. Attorneys office as a vehicle to get him further into politics. What i was in the u. S. Attorney s office, every indictment, be it a simple press release, done on an immigrant machine, maybe one page statement summarizing the indictment, and i was there for about six months of his tenure as u. S. Attorney. I came back shortly thereafter just to visit the office on other business. And i walked into the main part of the u. S. Attorneys office, and you felt like you are in the west wing of the white house. Every single indictment was a major Press Conference. He hired three people on Government Payroll who did nothing but flag him to the press. He did that through in his entire tenure. This was unheard of. Every case was made a major news story, which is why he was able to build up the reputation that he did. Without that backup, without the three people that he hired, one of whom was actually a present person from the New York Post who have been covering the courthouse for years, he wasnt able actually to get himself right into the politics and press of new york city and make a big name for himself as a Crime Fighter when the actual work was done by the assistant to the office. Its not like he was behind everything. The last conversation i had with him when i was at that office, and i didnt have too many, was basically handing over to him a wiretap i had from an investigation into , the under boss of the genovese family, and those tapes essentially were the basis of her bringing charges against the five Family Bosses who were members of the bikers are no strict commission in the country. I gave it to rudy, i told him he should do it. He has been taking credit for that ever since. God bless him. It was something that had to be done. It was important. And that rico case, which i believe was a rico case, that was one of the star turns. Youve also got, i mean, the other thing here is, your point, adam, about the sense of whose city is it a deuce country isnt, which is the through line of that question in the rudy political appeal, i just want to play him, just to remind you of what he is asking people to do, aside from defaming, in my humble opinion, shea moss and others, here is the subcommittee here, mentioned is one of the overt acts in the indictment, basically saying, you dont have to do anything the voter told you. You can choose who can be electors. State law doesnt prevent you, the legislature, from immediately taking this over and deciding this. You are the final arbiter of who the electors should be and whether the process is fair or not. The other way to look at it, its your responsibility if a false and fraudulent count is submitted to the United States government. Its clear that the count you have right now is false. Theres a pretext theyre a false pretext not a false count, but it is undemocratic part of a Public On Utterance by anybody in the country with the exception of trump. Its an expression of the ethos of trumpism, which is that there are certain people who are the real americans, and those people have a right to win every election regardless of whether or not the preferred candidates gets the most votes. And so if by some misfortune they get out voted by the rest of the country, then the State Legislature should step in and essentially, even though hes talking about an rigging the direct the election what hes asking is for the election to be rigged in their favor because theyre the only legitimate americans thus their political will is the only legitimate political will. Its an antidemocratic sentiment thats pretending to be a democratic sentiment. Thats right. Finally, nick, i want you to respond. You wrote an article in the saying this is a good application of the rico statute, the federal version of what you have some experience with. Giuliani said this is a ridiculous use of it. Why do you think its appropriate . Its appropriate because they basically committed a whole series of crimes which is the Indictment Shows comes down to seven different criminal schemes with 18 individuals. Its a good way to put the ball together it would cowed in an indictment and point out to the jury how all of these schemes a related to each other, how all of these different defendants, some of whom may have never even met each other, were all working towards the same goal of keeping donald trump in office and basically steal the election from joe biden. Nick ackerman and adam serwer, glad to have you both gentlemen. Thank you so much. Thank you. Coming up, with the Special Counsel slips into Donald Trumps dms as a federal judge asked if elon musk is trying to cozy up to the former president. 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