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Here. When you are go tonight, donald trump had never been indicted for anything. Alex wagner goes on tv for one year. One year. And the man gets indicted in four different jurisdictions, and so you know what that means . Donald trump is wondering tonight, whether alex wagner is going to do another year of her show. She hopes to. He really wants to know that, because he wants to be able to s fortunes are tied to mine. Yes. In other words, he has another very bad year coming. Thats what this has to. Mean perhaps. If youre reading the tea leaves, lawrence, i think they would tell you that. Im just happy to be still here standing after one long very short year. Ive got to say its the fastest year in the history of this kind of occupation. By far. Lawrence, it sure feels like that. By far. It is. It is a thrill to be sharing some time with you each and every night that im on the air, my friend. I am deeply grateful for our friendship and our camaraderie. This is always my favorite minute of the show. Favorite couple of minutes of the show. Alex, thank you for this year and thank you for many more to come. Thank you, lawrence. I appreciate it. 50 years ago today, the front page of the largest circulating newspaper in Donald Trumps New York City neighborhood of queens, in that newspaper, this was the headline. Nixon blasts false charges. Newspapers are hard to find in New York City now but in those days they were everywhere. And the front pages of the newark daily news were designed to grab the eye as you rushed past multiple news stands on the way to the subway, where there were also new stands in the subway and where half the people on your subway card in queens would be reading the new york daily news. Donald trump had to see that headline on this day, 50 years ago. He couldnt miss it. No one in New York City could miss it. That was august 16th, 1973. The president of the United States on the front page of Donald Trumps Hometown Newspapers claiming the accusations against him emerging in criminal investigations were all false, all of them false. And one year later, Richard Nixon resigned the presidency because those charges were true, all true. Every newspaper in the country had a version of that very headline, 50 years ago today. And everyone who saw that headline, including kids in junior high school, knew that we were living through an important chapter of history. We knew we were living in the middle of history. The president to the knighted states being investigated for possible criminal conduct. That it never happened before in history. You are now living in the middle of such history once again. And if you are in high school or college now, you will be around 50 years from now to see the trump headlines reappear on their 50th Anniversary, 50 years from now there will be four different dates that year that will mark a 50th Anniversary of a former president to the knighted states being indicted. The bigger anniversaries, a year or two after that, will be the 50th anniversaries of guilty verdicts, if they are reached in these four criminal prosecutions of a former president. When you are living in the middle of history, maintaining perspective is not just a constant struggle. It is often impossible. No american soldier or general knew that they were going to be fighting world war ii for four years. When it is presented in High School Textbooks in its need for your package, world war ii looks like it makes a certain sense in the flow of American History to a high school student. You can see where it fits in. 50 years ago, no one knew the president of United States was one year away from being forced to resign the presidency and then receive a pardon for his crimes committed while he was president to the native states. That pardon is the only reason donald trump is the first former president to donated states to be indicted. There is no greater struggle that i personally have in these presentations at this hour every night than the struggle of perspective. For example, this indictment is now 48 hours old, and i still have not been able to do what i have been hoping to do for two nights in a row now, and that is to spend the entire hour guiding and analysis of the entire indictment. The alleged crimes of donald trump and the people closest to him, mark meadows and Rudy Giuliani, following Elsa Village Crimes committed by the group of indicted lawyers, an unprecedented indictment of a group of lawyers like jeffrey clark, john eastman, jenna ellis should also include an analysis of the alleged claims of the indicted fake electors and the alleged criminal conspiracy to steal voting data from computers in coffee county, georgia. And last and in most ways most importantly an analysis of the alleged climbs of Witness Tampering and threatening that involve the vicious lies told by donald trump and Rudolph Giuliani about the poll workers ruby freeman and her daughter, and the cruel, and according to the indictment, criminal attempt by kanye wests former publicist to terrorize ruby freeman. This indictment is the single most important story told in Indictment Form about donald trump or any president to United States, and Donald Trumps alleged Criminal Enterprise to destroy american democracy and to destroy any person in the way of his Criminal Enterprise. When our first guests tonight, an Opinion Piece for the New York Times called this indictment ingenious. If you have not yet read this indictment, you do deserve a full page by Page Analysis of it on this program. But the flow of news about this indictment will not yet allow us to slow down and turn each page of this indictment for you, and so we will continue to be quoting it selectively. I will always be struggling to find the right perspective on this indictment and the stories around it. But i just want to acknowledge at the outset this evening that history is now moving too fast for a mere news program to be able to hold it in place for an hour. Tonight, a Federal Judge in atlanta responded in less than 24 hours to defendant mark meadowss motion to move Fulton County District Attorney fani williss criminal case against him from the Fulton County courthouse to federal court. Donald trump and other defendants are expected to make similar motions. The Federal Judge, steven si jones, appointed by president obama, ordered a hearing on that question in his federal courtroom in atlanta a week from monday, On August 28th, at 10 am. The judge gave District Journey Willis a deadline of next wednesday, august 23rd, for submitting a Return Brief Arguing against moving the case to federal court. Today judge ernie willis filed a motion with the Georgia State judge currently in start of the Case Proposing that the arraignment of the defendants shall take place the week of september 5th. The motion also proposes dates for the Discovery Process and pretrial motions to be filed. The last line of the motion proposes a Trial Date Of March 4th of next year. Leading off our discussion tonight, emily copeland, Criminal Offense Attorney and former federal prosecutor in georgia, also with us when hes fleming, former District Attorney in Dekalb County georgia, and barbara mcquade, law professor at the university of michigan law school. Shes also an msnbc legal analyst. And gwen, let me begin with you, and what District Attorney willis filed today with the State Court Judge in georgia which is her proposed schedule for this case. I take it thats a standard kind of filing the District Attorney would make at this point in time and the dates in it are aspirational at this stage and just a Starting Point for the judge to consider. Well, it is aspirational. I cant say that its standard. Usually that type of discussion of the type of scheduling would happen after arraignments. Soul we are, she is indicating, i think issues very ready to go, much like she said during her Press Conference two nights ago, and so i think in anticipation we are also waiting to see whether any of the defendants, through their council, decided to file a speedy trial demand. That could also change the schedule. But we are of course waiting to see. But its interesting, she had indicated truly ready to go in terms of trying this case within six months, and thats exactly what we are singing. On the speedy trial law in georgia, gwen, a speedy trial, a defendant has a right to it in even less than six months, isnt that the law is written . So the way the law is written in georgia, a defendant can file a speedy trial demand in the term of court, which is a two month period, in the term of court that he is indicted. Here she is indicted. Then he has to be tried either in that term are in the succeeding term. So its either in the first two months, where the indictment is filed, or the following two months. What interesting, that could be a total of four months or, if a defendant filed the motion, say, in the second month of a term. So if you have a july, august term, if any motions are filed this week were before the september terms starts, then the trial must be completed by the end of october, which is the end of the next succeeding term. It could be as much as four months, it could be three, it could be two and a half, depending on when the motion is filed. Gwen, i remember many months ago you explaining this spree speedy trial ought to me privately and i smiled are not in my way through it is if i understood it and im getting closer to understanding it, but i could never repeated. Barbara mcquade, lets go to the federal question. Mark meadows is probably not the last defendant to make this motion to move the case to federal court. Donald trump has indicated that he is going to make a similar motion. What do you make of the Federal Judges response to it so far . The judge has said a very aggressive briefing schedule. Wants to hear the matter On August 28th and has said it for an evidentiary hearing, to hear more about the facts of the case. The standard is, if the person wise the United States Government Official at the time of the conduct and if the conduct was within the scope of their authority, then it is properly removed from State Court To Federal court, the idea being that the Supremacy Clause says that we should take federal matters to federal court we want to make sure people getting a fair shake if theyre accused of a crime. I see that mark meadows, donald trump, and some others were federal officials at the time of the conduct. But i think theyre gonna have a hard time showing that they were acting within the scope of their authority. The allegation is that they exceeded the scope of their authority, they abused their authority. So i think, i mean, its not an feasible scenario to see it be removed, but i think its an uphill climb. Amy lee copeland, you use that adjective ingenious to describe this indictment. Please expand on what you see that is ingenious about this indictment. Sure. Lawrence. Good evening. The breadth of the indictment is large. There is no doubt about it. There are 98 pages full of details. In the indictment, though, it talks about the various schemes used to defraud georgia voters. It talks about the false electors. It talks about the attempted Voting Machine Breach in coffee county, georgia. It talks about the harassment of the poll workers. The meetings that were going on in different states. The breadth of it is due to the rico statute which is broader than the federal counterpart. This allows the prosecutor to tell a story by present the pieces to the jury. Amy lee common copeland, gwen keyes fleming, barbara mcquade, we have just gotten started. Please stay in place. This is just the warmup for the rest of our discussion of the george indictment for the rest of the hour. But coming up next, the one poll worth mentioning this week is not a president ial campaign poll. The democratic leader of the house of representatives, hakeem jeffries, will join us next. smelling ew. Gotta get rid of this. Tell me why because it stinks. Have you tried downy rinse and refresh it helps remove odors 3x better than detergent alone. It worked guys Yeahhhh Downy rinse and refresh. Chevy silverado has what it takes to do it all. With up to 13 camera views. And the z71 offroad package. You ok . Yeah. Any truck can help you make a living. This one helps you build a life. Chevy silverado. My most important kitchen tool . My brain. So i choose neuriva plus. Unlike some others, neuriva plus is a multitasker supporting 6 key indicators of brain health. 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There is another much more important paul of what voters think right now, tonight, about something that is happening right now, tonight. In a poll released today, 54 s day say that donald trump should be prosecuted on criminal charges for alleging attempting to overturn the results of the 2020 president ial election. 42 say donald trump should not be prosecuted for that. So 42 of the vote seems reasonably solid for defendant trump as he begins what will be a multi year process of being criminally prosecuted for trying to overturn the 2020 election. The 54 who tonight want to see donald trump prosecuted exactly the way he is being prosecuted are very unlikely to vote for him for president. That poll is not a prediction. That poll is a statement of the current opinion of criminal prosecutions of donald trump that are happening right now, and donald trump is losing very very badly in that real poll. The contrast of yesterday, a former president being indicted for trying to deny an election, and this president today talking about investing in america . Thats gonna think. And its our job to make sure its exam. I will tell you this, though, i do meet a good number of republicans who are disillusioned with donald trump. They are. Not everybody, but a chunk of them. Donald trump has announced a Campaign Event on monday in which he now is claiming that he will provide a defense of the charges against him in georgia. We all know he will do no such thing. Donald trump has not spoken one word of Legal Defense against any of a criminal charges that have been filed against him in state and federal court in four different cases. Not one word of actual Legal Defense. Meanwhile, the democratic parties candidate for president is saying this tonight. Republicans have repeatedly tried to repeal key parts of the Inflation Reduction Act, including the speaker of the house now, taking credit for the billions of dollars and private investments in thousands of jobs coming into their state. This law is one of the biggest drivers of jobs and Economic Growth this country has ever seen. Since i took office, the private sector has announced nearly 400, excuse, me 240 Billion Dollars in new Clean Energy Manufacturing investments. Joining us now, House Democratic leader hakeem jeffries. Thank you very much for joining us tonight, mister leader. It has been one very fast year since that legislation was passed. What has it accomplished so far . Good evening. Great to be with you, lawrence. The Inflation Reduction Act is part of an incredible track record of legislative accomplishments and success led by President Biden that will continue to make life better for every day americans all th