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Were gonna be following all that for you and bring you updates if we have them throughout the evening. But switching now to other big stories that are breaking. Tonight to big developments in the classified documents case against donald trump. Remember that one, x chief of staff, mark meadows, told Special Counsel Investigators that he does not recall donald trump ordering or even discussing the classifying materials before leaving the white house. Thats according to new reporting from abc news. That same report says that meadows told investigators that hes unaware of any Standing Order from trump authorizing the automatic declassification of materials taken out of the oval office. Meadows account directly contradicts trumps biggest offense in the maralago classified documents. You may recall trump of course insisting, his whole argument was that He Declassified everything before leaving office. Moments ago a Trump Campaign spokesperson said that this reporting was incomplete. It lacked proper context. But he didnt provide any evidence to support their claim and just as this report dropped, guess who else made the same claim, mike pence. In my case i wasnt remain aware of any broad based effort to declassify documents. Theres a process that the white house goes through to declassify materials. Im aware of that occurring on several occasions over the course of our four years. But i dont have any broad directive from the president. But that doesnt mean it didnt occur. Its just not something i ever heard about. Trump faces 40 separate criminal charges related to his possession of those documents. In total he staring down a staggering 91 criminal counts in four different jurisdictions and indictments. Its now increasingly clear that hes cracking under the pressure of these legal cases. Within the last few days we witnessed two key signs that Donald Trumps legal troubles really have had been terrified to put it motley. But first, his out of court their decision to cancel a scheduled Press Conference from monday. Earlier this week trump promised that hes gonna make public remarks, present a quote, irrefutable report on Election Fraud in georgia. That somehow would exonerate the position hes taken since 2020. But then, on thursday evening in a post on his failed social media site, trump canceled. He basically tried sullivan said that the report would not be released. Citing the advice of his lawyers. Imagine that, trump listening to lawyers. Donald trump following the advice of counsel is hard to believe. We did a paid girl pair of wings and fly somewhere. Its not this week you had trumps attorneys asking judge tanya into delay the interference until, wait for it, not 2025, not the end of 2024. Until 2026. Yes, you heard that. Right to the ex president wants to push back a trial, full two years after voters head to the polls. And he task you, straight up, does that sound like normal behavior for someone who claims they did nothing wrong, when they truly innocent person wanted to be exonerated and clear their name as quickly as possible. Especially a candidate with an election thats quickly approaching. The truth, is donald trump may soon be charlie facing accountability for perhaps the first time in his life. And thats quite honestly left donald trump afraid, very afraid. Joining me now are glenn kirschner, msnbc legal analyst. A former federal prosecutor donna edwards, contributor and former democratic representative of maryland. And eddie law junior, msnbc political analyst and professor of African American studies at princeton university. Great to have all three of you with us. Brian, let me start with you, first of, all get reaction to Breaking News on two fronts. You have mark meadows, mike pence effectively and now openly contradicting trump on a key part of his defense strategy. Which was that He Declassified everything there. And on the record publicly, i imagine also privately to the legal authorities to jack smith saying. We dont know of any Standing Order to declassify documents. And these are the two i would argue, two closest people in his decisionmaking process if you will. And certainly, if he gave that order you would think that the Vice President and mark meadows would know about it. This highlights the importance of the fact. That the Trial Witnesses of donald trump when prosecutors can finally drag trump and his Defense Lawyers into court before a jury. The Trial Witnesses are gonna be exclusively republicans. Mark meadows will testify assuming hes in a position to testify rather than being prosecuted and sitting at Defense Council table shoulder to shoulder with donald trump. Mike pence will almost certainly testify. All of those republican witnesses we saw during the january six House Select Committee hearings. These are gonna be the Trial Witnesses against donald trump. And if someone can explain to me how donald trump can persuasively say this is the product of some democrat led witch hunt. When almost all of the witnesses against him are going to the republicans. Some of his own cabinet officials, some of his own closest advisers. I have said all along that it was taking a very long time to indict these cases. But once theyre actually in trial, standing before 12 citizens members of the community, there to decide based only on the evidence not on press releases, tweets, or potus. What donald trump did or didnt do. Its not gonna be that difficult to hold donald trump accountable. And to win convictions. Let me ask you, for mark meadows for a moment, abc news theyve obtained an early copy of mark meadowss forthcoming book about his time at the white house. And thats what i wanted to ask about. It included a description of trump having a classified war plan on the couch at his office in bedminster, new jersey. At a meeting attended by meadowss ghostwriter and publicist. Although meadows himself was not there i believe. Its interesting, in reference to the Document Being in trumps possession was removed before the book was published. Imperious to your thoughts on that and what that tells us . What, were gonna find out is whatever mark meadows is to write in his book, or take out of his book, once hes under oath hes gonna testify to what he knows. I think he knows a lot. He was close to the president , he was an ally of the president , right up until the very and. This claim by donald trump that he could declassify these documents was always dubious from the very beginning. Those who handle classified documents, who understand the process know just what mike pence said was absolutely true. Mark meadows is not gonna have a choice but to say that hes gonna Tell The Truth and then to do that under oath. I need to get your thoughts on trumps State Of Mind here. I know its a tall order. As someone whos followed him now, in my possession followed him for several years. How ironic is it that trump is citing his lawyers expertise in canceling his Press Conference next week, where he was suppose like an apartment a quote, irrefutable report about Election Fraud in georgia. I gotta say this is a man who is notorious for not heeding the advice of his lawyers. For me, for us on this show, its an indicator that perhaps hes more rattled . Absolutely. Kind of attempt, strategy, strategic effort. The rains were drawn as that were. What were seeing, ayman, its a dangerous desperation. Trump is afraid. The more afraid he gets, the more dangerous he becomes. We need to watch this very, very carefully at seems to me. Don, on his request to have the Elections Case Trial Delay to 2026, its no surprise its delayed. Its insane that he thinks he can have a delayed for two years after the election. We know guilty anything to avoid accountability. Where do you see judge chutkan, finding a middle ground between the proposed date proposed date of january 2nd, 2024 . Wildes, arnold trump still is operating as though hes in control. Hes absolutely not in control of the court calendar. Judge chutkan is gonna Make A Decision thats reasonable for her calendar, and has other things going on. Its certainly not going to extend all the way to the end of 2024, 2026, as trump would like. Thats all laughable away, even for donald trump. Hes Gonna Realize that even losing control here is gonna be judge chutkan, donald trump is gonna have to play the tune. Lana, in reporting this week we learned the special counsel asked for trumps tweets and direct messages in a Search Warrant at what point does trump realize that his post could also be used as evidence, how is that even still that this guy is so reckless with what he posts out. Im thinking, what they pursued in trying to get privately. But then i look at what he posted about jeff duncan, the Lieutenant Governor of georgia. And basically what some people have described is intimidating a witness. This is someone whos called to the grand jury to give his testimony in fani williss case. Yeah, it was more than just intimidating a witness. It violated the Georgia Statute that prohibits influencing or attempting to influence a witness and dissuade them from testifying in an official proceeding. Heres what i find so interesting, i was in the courthouse for Donald Trumps arraignment in the overflow courtroom watching it live streamed. The Magistrate Judge that donald trump serve the most important condition of your release. Is that you cannot commit any federal state or local law. And if you do, you release could be revoked. And you can be detained and then do you understand. Donald trump said he dead. And not days later he posted something to this hold certainly sounded like it violated the Georgia State law prohibiting influencing witnesses. He said, i know Lieutenant Governor, former Lieutenant Governor jeff duncans gun appear before the grand jury. Quote, he shouldnt. He should not testify. He told the witness not to testify. It violates Georgia State law. But importantly, it violated his most important condition of release. I cant wait until judge chutkan takes this on on the 28th. And here is my concern of donald trump isnt held into account for violating the most important condition of his release. What kind of signal does that send about the trustworthiness of the criminal Justice System . Lets talk big picture here. Looking into 2024. Michael luttig, judge michael luttig, a friend of the show along with lawrence tribe were on ali velshi show this weekend. They were discussing a recent piece they wrote, a lot of us have seen a caught peoples attention in the atlantic titled, The Constitution Prohibits Trump from ever being president again. Heres what tribe had to say. Take a listen. Although those primal are terribly important. And its vital of the president be held accountable and not get away scotfree. The Disqualification Clause operates by itself. And, your thoughts on the arguments being made here. Does the constitution on its own disqualify donald trump from running for president. And if so, how does this play out. Well all be up to congress, individual states to decide whether he should be on the ballot. You know the Republican Party wont take action about it, theyve lost credibility and aspiring to be able to stand up to donald trump. But the case being made by Professor Tribe and judge luttig is that the constitution is clear. He shouldnt be running for president. I think we might need to understand that as an argument that those two are making. Its important because Professor Tribe is one of the most esteemed constitutional professors of law that we have in the country. And judge luttig is one of the most highly regarded conservative jurors we have in the country. Thats important. But its up for debate, i want to say, this ayman, and terms of big picture, we always thought it was donald trump who is the problem. Hes just the tip of the iceberg. Hes a kind of reflection in my video of the rock thats at the heart of the party. So unless we begin to think, its one thing to keep him out of the body politic. That makes all the sense in the world to me. But the problem cuts much deeper than donald trump. We need to move out of the Melodramatic Formulation or rendering, framing. We have the obvious villain if we only ritter cells of the obvious fell and. Then all will be well. But what we still wednesday, you talked about it in the last hour. Were gonna see that it cuts so much deeper. I understand what Professor Tribe and jog lug argue. Its up for debate. The problem goes beyond as people have said before, you make it right of trump and trumpism is here to stay. And its spreading in the Republican Party. You need to address and take that had on. Panel, dont go anywhere. We have a lot more to discuss after the break. Well talk about how this insane legal pileup is affecting the Trump Campaigns bottom line. Re frustrated with occasional bloating. . Gas. Or abdominal discomfort. Help stop the frustration and start taking align every day. Align probiotic was specifically designed by gastroenterologists. To help relieve your occasional digestive upsets. So you can enjoy life. when you feel the signs, its time to try align. Im your overly competitive brother. 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