So there you have it. He also of course were in a way to the cold in cancun. Very math of the people. Great show as always, my. Friend enjoy the rest of your evening off. And coming up on ayman, trump takes a page straight out of the authoritarian playbook. Vowing to lock up his political opponents. How seriously should we take this threat . Not to be at, don georgia republicans are using a new state law to go after the a fani willis. We are going to explain that. In Texas Corruption and fraud, those are the allegations state Attorney General ken paxton is now facing as he heads to a Senate Impeachment trial just this week. Lets get started. In this past week alone donald trump got a court date for his federal election interference trial, pleaded not guilty in the georgia rico case and sign a transcript of his new york fraud case testimony made public. With accountability for his alleged crimes looking more and more real, what does the ex president do . He threatens retaliation in the interview with Former Fox Host Glenn back on tuesday, where trump said he would jail his political opponents if he returns to the oval office. Referring to trumps infamous 2016 campaign trail, vowing to lock her up. Im talking of course about hillary clinton. Back asked, do you regret not locking her up . And if your president again, will you lock up people . Trump responded by saying the answer is you have no choice. Because they are doing it to us. Frankly its not hard to imagine him following through on that threat. Well you have to do is consider the unthinkable promises trump made while campaigning back in 2016. Promises it to All Of Us Forest were dismissed and seemed hyperbolic. Donald j trump was calling for a total and complete shut down of muslims entering the United States. Until the countrys representatives figure to what the hell is going on . If were gonna build a wall we have no choice. Build that wall. Build that wall. You want to see the court overturned roe v. Wade . If you put two or three justices on thats what will happen. It will happen automatically in my opinion because im putting prolife justices on the court. So the Trump Administration cannot successfully defend a fullon muslim ban in court by a version of the original Executive Order that cut off immigration from six majority majority muslim countries did to take effect. While mexico never ended up footing the bill he did in fact construct some foreign 50 mile barrier within the southern border. Im sure you dont have to remind our viewers that he made good on his threat to a farright reactionaries to the Supreme Court and would select decades of precedent all to simply overturn roe v. Wade. It all seemed like absurd vindictive moon shots. In some form or fashion he in fact did carry out in all three of those Campaign Promises. I dont from says he truly planned to lock up political, component time for one take the man seriously. His inner circle is already musing about how he will do it. Remember Jeffrey Clark . He was the Senior Justice Department official and trump nearly named Acting Attorney General after the 2020 election. And currently one of trumps codependence in the racketeering case. He is also on the shortlist to become Attorney General if donald trump wins again. And this is according to insiders like steve bannon. It is, passed may, clark published a that some of the former president s ally c is a blueprint for bringing the Justice Department to heal. Specifically by trump claiming Sweeping Authority over the whole federal bureaucracy. It is an approach that many lawyers worry could turn the Justice Department into an instrument of the president s personal and political agenda. And they are right to be. Were a trumps biggest 2016 Campaign Promise lock her up, notably went unfulfilled. Joining me now is sara kinzinger, expert on authoritarianism and codes of the podcast and author of they, knew how a culture of comparison keeps america complacent. A former prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, and jennifer horn, former New HampshireRepublican Party chair. Great to have you with. Us sarah, start with you and as i was saying this is a page taken out of the authoritarian playbook. When trump says that he intends to lock up his political components, opponents, how seriously should we as a society take that threat . You should take it very seriously. Haitian know that this is a playbook that weve already seen you. That weve already read. And really the scandal here is that he was not invited for a Obstruction Of Justice or other charges immediately after leaving office. And as a result we are left with the prospect of over cleveland. So it is not just a matter of whether they will lock these opponents. Up but anybody will get in the way of his. Plans it is about this Broader Network people like roger stone Michael Flint and steve bannon et cetera are once again installing themselves into an administration that has interest in the welfare of the american public. Hypothetically, it is a worstcase scenario trials, lets say trump wins in 2024 and thats what he Mediately Tamps somebody ideologically similar to hamlet Attorney GeneralJeffrey Clark why soon would make him as Attorney General, how quickly could this nation legally speaking Go Down A Very Dark Path . Are there do you think from your Legal ExpertiseStrong Enough guardrails in place to prevent this kind of thing from happening . A man i think the answer is yes and no. I believe that Donald Trumps waste very little time moving forward with an Attorney General that was going to carry out his wishes in that regard. It is important to understand that the wheels of justice move slowly. So even if he cannot get this read wrestling for in court, looking further to the arm of retribution, it does not matter if the democracy is in place of the president of the United States of america could use the Department Of Justice as his Enforcement Arm against his political enemies under the guise of they did it to me. Which is when i was not true. Ultimately i dont see that as being a viable avenue for him to years in a viable vehicle for him to execute agendas regarding this political regime against his enemies. And the same time, it would take us a while to get there if he begins to move on that immediately. Which could be a concern for all of us who Operation Santa Merrick and democracy. Jennifer, one of the things i worry about is how much donald trump has changed the culture in this country. Because i think to myself, if john mccain or mitch irani had vowed in 2008 or 2020, sorry, 2012, to lock up their political opponents, as their Campaign Mass shooting was left them out of the room. He would think there is no way that would be a winning political message for them. And yet here we are where donald trump said lock her up Chants Thousands and thousands of his supporters used that as his Main Campaign rally chant. What does it say that this kind of message works for a republican candidate in 2024 . Well i think it is really important that it is not just reflect on donald trump but reflects very much on those republican primary voters. Who are embracing this message, and you are tearing it. On who are rallying for. Its donald trump, one of the things that really concerns me, is that we are living in a world where i think there are americans who truly dont understand the value of democracy. And what can happen when it is lost. Donald trump is talking about a Leadership Style and a Policy Approach that is there are reflective of places like russia and north korea and china, where people who achieve a top position in the country use it and very much personalize it and use it to go after anybody who dares questioner or in any way. It is not enough to look at them and say donald trump needs to be defeated. Even if he, loses those voters in those republicans who are embracing this approach, who are embracing this ideology are still going to be there. Sarah, let me get your thoughts on. This how do you think this message lands with trumps base . To jennifer disappoint how goes blind supports like that usually help an authoritarian regime . Honestly, one of the biggest things this helped trumps space believe that hes innocent is the fact that he was not invited for his crimes. I live in missouri. I live in a state that voted for trump both times around. What i hear from the other people in my state is that if he were really guilty, if he had really done it, if hes really done something so outrageous is try to a coup, clearly the raw justice wouldve done something about. It he really stole classified documents, an obvious Severe Threat or national security, obviously it would move fast. That has not been what has happened. So that has been a tremendous weapon in Donald Trumps arsenal. Is his ability to not only get away with all of these crimes but to have institutions that are so broken and battered from within that they are not giving any affective pushback. And the result of this terrible for all of. Us its terrible for one who voted for trump and terrible for everyone who voted for biden. And this terrible for the majority of americans who dont vote at all because there are so disillusioned by this broken political process. By their calculations obviously not the one federal state charges all throughout the add up to a potential maximum sentence of 717 years. But hes obviously not likely to face that much time. Do you think trump has accepted the gravity of his legal situation. I think that he is a very much aware of how serious things fall. We are seeing from him in his defense team is trying to develop a strategy to get out of a quarter that he has very few options and. Ive been saying for a very long time for his biggest concern in needs to be fani willis and Fulton County. And the reason for that is because those rico starters carry with them a mandatory minimum sentence of at least five years, even if he was to go to the very unlikely and narrow pathway of trying to secure a pardon in the state of georgia. Not to mention the numerous hurdles that were involved with that. You still have a minimum amount of time with respect to his federal indictment of the things hes currently facing. There is no guarantee that he would get jail time even if he was convicted. That george our in Fulton County right now the absolutely requires that he goes to jail. Which is why i believe he understands the gravity there as to why that is his most direct chance of going to drill. We can control what happens with judge cannon or judge chutkan. But what we do know is that the rita charge in Fulton County is one that has a mandatory minimum. Thats going to be something of significant concern for donald trump. Of course there is that one trial where he cannot have any republican president pardon him if he does reclaim the white house in 2024. So the gravity of that is probably weighing on him even more. So sarah kenzy, thank you so much for being here tonight. Everybody, please stick. Around the state low the georgia republicans are using to try to target fani willis. But, first my friend Richard Louis is here with the other headlines. Hey, ayman. Good evening to. 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This week though, Governor Kemp himself shot that idea down, saying he has not seen any evidence that williss actions have been unlawful. But, republican lawmakers were undeterred. The commission will start receiving complaints on october 1st. On the federal level, House Republicans have already launched a probe into willis, baselessly accusing her of coordinating with special counsel jack smith. House judiciary chair jim jordan has given willis until September 7th to hand over documents he has requested. And msnbc political contributor is with us now. And, joining us back in the conversation, charles forman, and jennifer horn. So tell us a little bit more about what youve heard from, or at least about this commission, who is on it. And, from your reporting, how seriously should we be taking this . Are they simply going through the motions . Or is there a chance they will actually be able to do something to derail or halt fani williss work . Yeah, and as you mentioned, the governor himself says he hasnt seen any evidence that this commission can take any action against fanning willis. But that wont stop the complaints, ive heard from a number of republican senators in particular, in the states in georgia, who have said they are encouraging their constituents to file formal complaints against fani willis, once this commission is fully up and running in