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This comes just hours before finding was set to expire, which would have affected millions of americans and their families. Theres lots to get to this hour. Lets bring in nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali, and National Reporter sahill kapoor. And we actually heard Michael Bennett speak on the senate floor. What did he have to say . Thats exactly right. Because you will remember that just a few hours ago, we wondered if senator Michael Bennet of colorado would be the one to hold this whole thing up. And certainly, he did provide a hold for about an hour or so, over the idea that no ukraine funding was included in this continuing resolution. Bennett certainly not the only one who was upset to find that that money was not included here. But what he was able to do, by putting this temporary hold on, was extract from leadership, and both the democratic and republican sides, a statement which is sure there would be a future push on ukraine funding in the form of a supplemental. You and i have talked about this several times over the course of the night. It is unclear if this supplemental will solely ukraine focused, if there will be other priorities, or pieces of policy used as leverage to try to do this in a bipartisan fashion. But i can tell you that senator schumer spoke about the need to continue funding ukraine twice during remarks on the senate floor, both before and after this vote. And then i also heard from senator Mitch Mcconnell, after he said this on the floor, echoing that what a few of us reporters on the floor, of how important it would be to continue pushing military and economic aid to ukraine. His goal is to do that by the end of the year. We know, though, that this sets up another battle on the funding front for right before thanksgiving in november. The Government Funding deadline now is November 17th. And so, we know what date we are working towards. The good news is that we know what date this circled on the calendar. The bad news is to circle and it did not make lawmakers do their work anymore in advance. Thats why we are standing here right now with this, right before the 11th hour deal that avoids a shut down for now, but still kicks a lot of problems and a lot of debates down the road. So, sahill kapoor, what are the key moments it out for you as we kind of watch this play out, and as we made it through both the house vote and then the senate vote to avert this Government Shutdown . Well, ayman mohyeldin, the single biggest moment happen this morning, when Speaker Mccarthy came out of his House Republican Conference Meeting and announced a stunning turnaround after weeks, and really months, of catering to his rightwing hardliners and refusing to work with democrats in a bipartisan bill and trying to do it with simply republican bills. He announced it was something he had not done in those last few weeks or months, which is put a bill on the floor and Orlando Mcgrath to get it over the line. He blamed those 21 republican hardliners who tanked his republican continuing resolution yesterday, and Spending Cuts and immigration and border provisions that many of them wanted, but short term bill under any circumstances. So, he said this left him with no other options. And he did this in the face of threats by hardliners, most notably matt gaetz, who had been explicitly saying that, if mccarthy passes a short term bill with democratic votes, he would move to overthrow him. Matt gaetz has not done that. Yet but even mccarthy did exactly what matt gaetz had warned him not to do. That was the most significant moment that led to this. That started chain reaction. After that, you have democrats who were kind of flummoxed by this. Mccarthy said any moment the house is gonna be voting on this bill, 71 pages. They have not rented read it yet they wanted to scour it, make sure he was not trying to push any sneaky provisions by. It but at the end of the day, they read it. They took some time i came jeffries and the Minority Leader went on for under the 52minute speech and the decided that, apart from the fact that ukraine aid is not, theyre the loss of the bill is fine by them, and the clincher happened on the other side of the capitol, when Mitch Mcconnell, the Senate Minority leader, pulled support for his own Bipartisan Senate bill in order to boost the prospects of this house bill passing. It essentially left democrats with no options but to move forward. And one other notable aspect of this, ayman, is the new york congressional delegation in the house, which is quite influential, they were in quite a jam here, because new york has been pummeled with rain and flooding lately, and a vote against this bill for a lot of those new york democrats would essentially be a vote against flood insurance. They did not want to do. This they decided to take the win and trade a victory for themselves, keeping it open against what democrats in the white house were calling maga extremism, and live to fight another day. So, i know its still a little bit early, but ali, to go back to sahil kapurs point, do we know whether anything out of the ordinary slipped into this, bill and sometimes things do happen when you see this mad rush . Because clear up for us what happened today, with this kind of 52minute speech that Hakeem Jeffries made on the floor. There were some rumors that others were trying to delay the votes, and the democrats had no chance to read it. But the machinations of that were quite fascinating as it all unfolded. Because it really was so spontaneous. You have to remember that, last night, when we left this building, it was not clear how mccarthy would go forward. But it definitely did not seem like he was going to be Going Forward, extending a hand to democrats or, in this case, really pigeonholing them into having to vote for this. What leader Hakeem Jeffries did was by his caucus time. They were huddled in their own caucus meeting throughout the morning as this was coming together, a, trying to figure out, what was going on, what was the plan going to be, because mccarthy really did spring this vote on the entire rest of the house in pretty short order as sahil kapur were saying. But then, also, for democrats, wanting to make sure that they knew what was exactly in this. This is a reminder that there is a pretty sizeable Trust Deficit between democrats and republicans here for a whole number of reasons. But certainly, democrats were not just going to go along to get along without cr votes to finally realize that he had to slightly changes strategy, and now we see what this was. The reason that mccarthy may have been so reluctant to change strategy until it was clear all of his actions within his conference had been exhausted was because of what sahil was talking about, which is the idea of a one vote motion to vacate looming over every piece of mccarthys speakership, at every Inflection Point the Open Question always is, will he do something to upset one of his hardliners so much that they trigger a motion to vacate . And in this instance, congressman matt gaetz laid out very clearly that if mccarthy reaches across the island as a continuing resolution with democrats, he will be the one to trigger a motion to vacate. We are squarely at that point. The motion should be triggered. And yet, we are waiting to see if matt gaetz actually does this. I was talking to some of his colleagues earlier today. I said, are people talking about a motion to vacate . One of the Lawmakers Said to be, everyone is talking about a motion to vacate. But the question is whether or not it will ultimately be filed. This person did think it would be filed eventually. And when that happens, matt gaetz can put forward that motion, and that could trigger a vote to oust the speaker. It prompts questions about if democrats will save them. Mccarthy and his Leadership Team would be able to push that vote off for about two days, maximum, as they try to get their ducks in a row and what that might look like. But, really, thats yet another chaos moment here in the house, one that, i would imagine, republicans want to avoid, or at least a majority of them. But then a majority of them did not want to shut down the government either. Yeah, so we are going to expect more chaos to unfold in the next couple of days. Sahil, youve got the Senate Meeting tuesday, we know that there mcconnell and schumer saying that they want to make sure that ukraine aid is passed at some point. There is called for the House Democratic leadership, for them to also put ukraine aid on the agenda as quickly as possible. What else is next for lawmakers in the weeks ahead . Were do we go from here . First, ayman, on the ukraine aid front, it is worth noting that there are broad bipartisan majorities in the house and the senate for ukraine aid. Its pretty much unanimous among the democrats, and large factions of republicans in the senate, and the house, who were supportive of. It so, in theory, if this were to get a standalone vote, there is no real a doubt that the administrations request, or at least something close to, it would be able to pass. But this was really the big pound of flesh that House Republicans were able to claim out of the Bipartisan Senate continuing resolution. Mccarthy, again, is facing off the question of just how strongly will his hardliners react if he allows this to move forward. They do want him to use this power and kind of step on the regular process to prevent ukraine aid from passing. So, lets put that aside for a minute. That may or may not happen. That really does come down to how he chooses to play, whether he allows that vote. What is going to happen in the next 45 to 50 days, until November 17th is, thats the hard part. This was the easy part. Usually if the congress temporary status quo basis on a, without much controversy, we have seen that happen many times in the past but House Republicans are moving forward with full year Appropriations Bills that have a lot of Spending Cuts that democrats strongly oppose, that have conservative Policy Provisions on things like immigration, on restricting abortion, on curtailing lgbtq rights that are not going anywhere in the senate, and certainly not going to be signed into law by President Biden. So, these two chambers are still moving on very different tracks when it comes to the actual full year funding bill. And this does not bring us any closer to agreement on that. That is what we are going to be watching for in the coming weeks, how these two chambers are coming forward. The senate is in good shape to pass Appropriations Bills with a bipartisan they are moving sluggishly and slowly, much lower than they had expected, and july, before that big august recess, and House Republicans are having trouble calling all of their votes, and theyre not getting any help from democrats. So, is the house going to be able to pass the bills . Is the senate going to be able to pass their bills . The Conference Committee and, really, his hope is, 45 or 50 days from now, he is still speaker of the house. He did call matt gaetzs bluff, any explicitly said to reporters, after that house vote, if someone wants to bring a motion against, we bring it. That is me quoting Kevin Mccarthy, daring them to file that motion, some think they will fail, ayman, but we will see. We will see if the challenges accepted. Sahil kapur and nbcs ali vitali, thank you. Joining me now, our panel, hayes brown, cofounder of the lincoln project, and former republican congressman charlie dent. Congressman, i will start with. You i will start with something ali, said. September 30th we circled on the calendar. Circle another date on the calendar, i believe november 16th. Nothing fundamentally changes between now and then. Unless, perhaps, you see a change in the Republican Leadership and that entire caucus blows up. Which is a very likely possibility. Its entirely possible that yes as to hill said, Speaker Mccarthy will no longer be speaker by the time we get to the next deadline. There is him and alia are correct that there is not Much Movement so far towards each other in terms of the house and the senate, the appropriations and committee has passed 12 Funding Bills on a bipartisan base. He is on it himself, he voted for most of the bills to pass as well. I got all of them. So, the fact that the bills that the House Republican, they passed for so far out of the 12, the fact that the ones they passed in the homes are trying to pass are still going to be dead in the water in the senate, mccarthy is correct that there is going to be a Conference Committee. But i dont see how that is going to end up in a set of bills that will get all of the gop caucuss vote. The fight that he is finally shifting strategies away from just trying to appease the hardliners, and finding things that can actually pass is a very big shift. Even though it seems like it would be the most obvious thing for him to do. The fact that he is finally done it is, while not exactly laudable, considering that theyre on the brink of a shutdown, the fact that he got there at all, and is calling the bluff from gaetz and the rest of them who are still, theyve not coalesced around a replacement for him, which i think is what is holding this up. They dont know who they want to put the crown on instead, instead of mccarthy. So the fact that this is all coming down the line, it does not help get a bill passed that will actually keep the government funded until next September 30th. Congressman, part of the Sticking Point here as we understood it was the lack of additional funding for ukraine and the short term bill. But immediately afterwards, you got a unified front from both Senate Majority schumer, and mcconnell promising a path forward, specifically on that. How do you envision negotiations on this issue going between the two leaders and ultimately across the aisle . Do you think it will be a standalone measure . Not sure it will be a standalone measure, but its clear that there is a strong bipartisan majority, in the senate and the house, to support further funding of ukraine war effort. I think this is where mccarthy now needs to make another stand and tell this small gang that opposes ukraine funding that the small minority cant dictate to the majority what goes in the bill. I mean, we have votes on issues for a reason. How to vote on ukraine was voted, its long for a small minority to try to dictate the policy to the smaller majority in the congress. Thats what they need to do. In terms of the big question of what must happen now, i was a senior appropriator so i used to help with these bills. In the house Senate Appropriators will have to negotiate those bills, all 12 of them, it shouldnt be hard to do but they will have to negotiate them at the spending levels, agreed to in the law that was passed back at the end of may, or early june, with the debt ceiling. That number, then they can write the bills. All the contentious Policy Writers will go away, as they always do. Every year. And it will focus mostly on the numbers in questions like ukraine. So they will be working on that between now and member 15th. If there are not finish with those built by then they will need another measure, continuing resolution to fund the government again indefinitely for some period of time. But you cant run the government on continued resolutions, on a longterm basis. You can do it now for 45 days, 75 days, but at some point they need to pass these bills. That will require that theyll write the bills, the numbers that is agreed to it in the law, not the numbers that the House Republicans are writing which is below that level. Right. That is the Sticking Point. The senate is writing them the number that is written in the law, so many of them voted for including the speaker. Thats where its going to go. So rick, congressman brings up a really important point. Its something that i asked senator merkley about in the previous segment this evening. In recent years, you have short term Funding Bills, they are becoming more common as the partisanship increases. Given how closely we have gotten to a Government Shutdown, yet again, should congress revisit how these procedural measures take place in the first place Going Forward . Well, im by no means a parliamentary expert on how the house does its budgeting, but i will say this, as long as you have a large fraction of the Republican Party that is dedicated essentially to sort of political nihilism, and showboating and play acting like matt gaetz, Marjorie Taylor greene, brokered, and all of the rest of the weirdo caucus, you will end up with situations like this where they will try, in the house, to explore the Budget Process To end as charlie mentioned, to put in the ridiculous riders in these bills. And in the senate you will have people like Tommy Tuberville who held up until today over 300 military appointments and nominations. So, all of these factors about reassessing, they presume we will be dealing with rational actors, none of these people in the Hyper Mogul Wing of the party are rational actors. They wouldve liked the shutdown to occur. They want the chaos, they want the confusion. They want the economic damage to the country. They want to delay ukraine aid to help Vladimir Putin, who they side with. Theres nothing about these people that you could look and say that theyre rational actors. Even Kevin Mccarthy, a man with a spinal structure of the average octuplets, managed today to say, you know what, im done playing with matt gaetz, done playing with these idiots i will do this in a bipartisan way. And, kevin is not a strongman, hes never been a strong guy, but i hope tonight he got some pride that he stood up to political terrorists like matt gaetz. All right panel stick around, we will have a quick break and then continue this conversation on the other side. Dont go anywhere. Nywhere. Proven over 90 effective, shingrix is a vaccine used to prevent shingles in adults 50 years and older. Shingrix does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients or to a previous dose. An increased risk of guillainbarre syndrome was observed after getting shingrix. Fainting can also happen. The most common side effects are pain, redness and swelling at the injection site, muscle pain, tiredness, headache, shivering, fever, and upset stomach. Ask your doctor or pharmacist about shingrix today. The Senate Passed the house approved funding bill narrowly avoiding a Government Shutdown. If signed by President Biden the bill will fund the government through November 17th. Lets bring back my Panel Congressman we spoke about the politics tonight, we heard what wilson said, perhaps, perhaps, Kevin Mccarthy found his fine and Going Forward it may change the dynamic of how things play. But, there were real people on the other side of this issue, im wondering if, you know when you look at the senators, the nine senators who voted against this bill, how do they explain their reasoning to the American People, to the real men and women of the Armed Services were possibly going to lose their paychecks to the families that rely on Food Assistance programs . To those of us who want to get on an airplane and know that flight Traffic Control is well manned and well equipped . Well, i will tell you, im not the right guy to explain the thinking of some of these folks, who think it is okay to shut down the government. Just to sow chaos in government generally. They think there is some political advantage among their base, among the most nihilistic elements of the base, they think it helps us. I think its kind of crazy. But again, many of the represent safe districts or states where they dont have to worry about losing in a general election, its just about primary. I think it is that simple, for most of these members, the republican members who are more pragmatic we tend to represent states in districts where they could be some competition in the fall, they are voting for this. They voted for this bill. Because they understand they have a responsibility to make sure the government functions and there is some basic duties that they have as members of congress. Its hard for me to explain why the folks like them i would think that there are some advantage to the. There really isnt. I suspect most of them will be fine in the primary elections, and thats why they did this. In the past Government Shutdowns notably the last one we experience in 2019, it was actually Public Opinion that really changed the dynamic and ended that instigated it. How do you think americans can top more into the people power when we see lawmakers on the hill failing us . I mean, its really hard to see sometimes because like former congressman dent just said, a lot of people who are pushing those are an extremely safe districts. They wont be the ones feeling the blow back they wont be the ones were pressured by Public Opinion, because they believe as long as they can get through the primary, as long as they can convince people who are going to be voting in republican primaries that theyre the ones standing up to big governments, standing up to wasteful spending and not having to think too hard about what that means for people outside of that process. Now when you think about the people who take out their trash, the contractors who work on the hill who would not be paid, and are not guaranteed back pay, without having to think about those people, without having empathy for them, there is no need for them to look at anything except what can i do to raise more money, two of my profile in the media and to win my primary election. Those are their goals, which to go back to the point of the not being rational actors, they feel like they are being rational but it is having those criterias as what is most important to them as opposed to actually governing, actually moving the country forward in a way that helps more people than hurts them. And its fascinating to me that Speaker Mccarthy today by having the sudden shift, the change of heart, really what it blows down to, he was getting out of the way of democrats governing. Because they set the funding at what it had previously been, the government had already been spending. They added in disaster aid that the Senate Democrats and Senate Republicans yes were trying to push forward. So, to me, it seems the bill passed on mostly democratic votes in the end. So mccarthy stepping out of the way of democrats and saying, all right, fine, we will put something up to four votes that you guys can agree with, was a huge change and something that if he was continuing to listen to people in the safe districts would not have happened. No math of public pressure could have really changed their minds, and he knew that it would hit heavy on him and his party. Rick we spent time talking about the dynamic between Kevin Mccarthy, matt gaetz, but the truth is there is another person we should be talking about, its somebody who was very clear who wanted the Government Shutdown, that was donald trump. How is what happened today affect him . He was this was a guy who was clear he wanted the government to shut down as a way to shut down the prosecution in his cases, jack smith and the federal government going after him but rake, how do you think what happened today affects the dynamic between Kevin Mccarthy and donald trump. I havent been on truth social tonight but its like monkeys throwing their properties you, this guy will lose his down mind over this thing, he will go completely berserk, he will be on the phone with matt gaetz and the rest of his allies and kevin has to go. You must take a trophy for me now, because they defied me. Trump is looking for any method whatsoever whether it is being elected again, being the nominee. Being a candidate, being the eminence behind the throne in the house. Hes looking for any pathway to slow down or shut down the Department Of Justice and the various prosecutions against him. He is afraid. Now, none of the things that would have happened in the short term even with the shutdown would have stopped jack smith and stop the ball from rolling. But trump and that part of the mongol caucus they are addicted to chaos, as hayes said very wisely, they have this scent of negative incentives around them, we look at the impeachment as a disaster, 90 of americans due to. For them, they are pumping out emails saying did you hear me go after hunters laptop . All these crazy things that we dont think of as rational, they live in a separate media and bubble than the rest of america. And it is a fantasy land. So him wanting to shut the government down, for them they are thinking well this is perfectly logical obviously the corrupt usurpers in washington that are holding the presidency illegally should be punished by shut down. You cant underpriced the craziness of these people. Rick wilson, charlie dent, hayes brown, gentlemen, thank you to the three of you for joining us. We appreciate it as always. Coming up, we will get reaction from democratic congressman jamie raskin, dont go anywhere. 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Yesterday the republicans were fighting for a 30 across the board cut to everything from education, health care, child nutrition and we saved where we could save head start, we saved programs, and of course the big disappointment was that mccarthy continue to cave to the extreme maga right influenced by donald trump and Vladimir Putin, to excise aid for the ukraine people in their war of selfdefense against putins filthy invasion. We will go back and fight hard for that. We will get it and we will hold Kevin Mccarthy to both public and private assurances he has given that he will continue to support that 300 million that the ukrainian people need in order to continue their offensive in the war and to propel and the expensive offensive against putins army. Why was he not able to pass what he wanted to pass which was the 30 cut that the far extreme right in his caucus wanted . Is it a sign that he no longer controls the republican caucus, that even though farright that wanted to pass this was unable to get it across the finish line . I mean, you know, he has been in this position now for almost nine months. Do you think he is coming to the end of his time as speaker . Well you cannot continue to pander and appease the extreme right, all of history explains that. He wants to feed the maga monster not realizing that its not only ravenous but insatiable, so there is basically no reckoning with them and it is the same thing with donald trump, hes made it clear, hes not interested in the constitution, hes not interested in democracy they set out last week with two primary goals and one of them was to shut down the government of the united states, we were able to stop them by hanging tough and having unity as a caucus. The second was to impeach joe biden, we completely embarrassed and humiliated them for having no evidence that brought the witnesses over to our side in the oversight committee. The third was not to fund the people of ukraine and they won a momentary respite on that putins little helpers in the house got their way on that but we will get back in and make sure that america stands for moral reasons, for political reasons, strategic reasons for National Security reasons with the people of ukraine, against Vladimir Putin. Its essential that we hold the line they are so that tyrants and autocrats and kleptocrats All Around The World know that they cant just go grabbing real estate, other peoples countries in violation of international law, and the rights of national sovereignty. We dont want to see it happen in hong kong, we dont want to see it happen in taiwan, we dont want to see it happen anywhere on earth, and we want to stand up for democracy and human rights. Putin is he has embarked, as you know, on a campaign massive illinois tragedies, kidnapping ukrainian childrens and taking them back to russia, mass rape of ukrainian women and girls and bombing civilian targets. So, this is a matter of moral urgency and a fundamental importance for the people of the united states. How do you fundamentally change that dynamic within the party, for the sake of our country . How do you address this right wing extremism that has taken hold in one of our major parties. Is it simply that its up to voters to boot them out or is there something that can be done differently in order to reduce their hold over the party . Well that is the central question, we have to understand that right now the democrats in the senate and the republicans in the senate, and the president and Vice President , and the democrats in the house who are all standing on the side of democracy in ukraine against the russian imperialist invasion and its only the Republican Party that is conflicted that has it because of Donald Trumps penetration and stranglehold he has over a large number of people here. Kevin mccarthy by finally realizing that you can never stop caving into them you have to stand up to them and he stood up to them today by allowing the democrats to get together with those republicans who actually want our government to work. And, i think that will be the same process that gets us to the right answer internationally. Today we did it nationally, and we will have to get to it internationally over the next couple of weeks, while we hang tough against an increasingly agitated donald trump, and extreme maga rights. So, you know, strap in because it is going to be an interesting several weeks. The democratic party, post donald trump, is very different than what you saw before. We know exactly what were up against, we are completely unified in opposing of torah carrionism in fascism around the world. Let me ask you sir before we get out of time that was the republican impeachment inquiry into biden you called it in a tweet a Sham Impeachment Hearing and a perfect distillation of maga priorities. How do you think this plays out with the American People that in the week the government was facing this Government Shutdown, potential shutdown, republicans held this Sham Impeachment Inquiry . Well, all of it of course goes back to Donald Trumps own derangement and fanaticism, he wanted to shut down the government literally because he wanted to shut down his own prosecution and everybody else in the country would be dammed, all the Service Members who wouldnt be paid for a month or two, two months or however long they wanted to prolong the agony. All of the families that couldnt get into Clinical Trials at nih, anyone who is dependent on Snap Programs to feed their families, he didnt care about that. Its all about his trial. Incidentally wouldnt have worked because over the last several shutdowns, criminal trials continued in federal courts. But it is the exact same thing with impeachments. I mean, hes the first person to ever be impeached since president and twice as that was run as president and he doesnt like the fact that he will be seen as a twice impeached and disgraced president running against joe biden, whatever else you want to say about him, and i think he has a fantastic record on infrastructure in health care and climate, but he has had a career of unblemished integrity for half a century in public life. And suddenly they want to impeach him for doing what . For nothing thats why we said it was a seinfeld impeachment. It was an impeachment about nothing. You can call it a giuliani impeachment, lots of theories and no evidence at all. Congressman jamie raskin, Always A Pleasure sir. Thank you so much for joining us, i know its late on saturday night, its appreciated. Coming up next we will get reaction from the senate side, senator Amy Klobuchar will join us after the break. Er the break give Prime Members exclusive access to two days of big savings. 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Welcome by like bring in Amy Klobuchar of minnesota, senators great to see you thank you so much for joining us, it know its been a long day. Give me your initial thoughts, congress has avoided a shutdown, a lot of us are thinking about what democrats accomplished tonight and the work that lies ahead, and how you see it going . Well, this was, could have been a tragedy tomorrow, america would have woken up to him estep the two asian in terms of medical research halted in terms of not being able to even have paid people doing air Traffic Control, or tsa work. Military would have not been paid, it was the last thing we needed right now as our country has been moving forward we come out of this pandemic and a much better way than so many other countries and weve been moving forward, we dont want to go back, and im glad we work this out on a bipartisan basis. But remember it is a Stopgap Measure through the middle of november. That is our deadline. And our key focus is to assure our ukrainian allies that we are with them that that funding will continue, and in our words in the words of the president it will be uninterrupted. Which means they will find a way to keep supporting ukraine until we do the big deal which brings us into all next year, which will be the continued funding of our courageous allies in ukraine against the evil barbarism of Vladimir Putin. I think a lot of people are looking towards that middle day in november and wondering what changes between now and then . The September 30th deadline has been on our calendar for months, perhaps even going back before the debt ceiling. Why did it take that long to come to an agreement, you think . Well, the extreme maga wing of the Republican Party over in the house basically had tried to keep the country hostage. They were going to shut down the government, they didnt care. It was i mean, from our vantage point, where we were working on a bipartisan bill in the senate you could see the vote we got tonight, 88 to 9. We had a lot of republican support for the work and continue to have support, not just for averting a shutdown right now and the leadership of senator sooner and senator mcconnell, as well as Susan Collins and patty murray who had appropriations. It was not just averting a shutdown, we have strong support for Going Forward. We are considering bipartisan appropriations bill on agriculture, and military and on infrastructure, so we are ready to go over in the senate, that will include of course the important funding for ukraine and youve seen the joint Statement Today come from the leaders on the importance of Going Forward on ukraine. Were you surprised, there was an overwhelming bipartisan support but were you surprised at nine republicans in the senate did not support the short term gap funding . No, if you look at the numbers in the last week or so there are more republicans that werent supporting things. I actually wasnt. I wish they wouldve joined us, i wish it couldve been unanimous, but the fact that i guess i look at the Glass Half Full and that is more than half full because we got the vast number of republicans supporting the bill in the senate, so i think that bodes well Going Forward, and the fact that we are able to get out of this it is a stopgap. Its not a destination, right . Its a bridge to November 17th. But that gives us the time, and this has happened in the past, eamonn, it happened in the past that we had to do the short term funding measures. Its not something new and it has never happened before. But the key, as you know and as your viewers know, the key is to do the actual budget going into next year and make sure that we are not moving our country backwards but in fact moving our march forward with our country. Im not a parliamentary expert but i asked this question to senator merkley earlier, and as you mentioned this is something that has happened in the past. It is time for us to consider ways to reform or to change the process by which we find ourselves in this position every couple of years . It seems to be happening with a little bit more frequency. Certainly in my lifetime. So i cant imagine that it is Getting Better with the bipartisan nature of how congress has become. Thats how i am a fan of that legislation, it will put us in a twoyear budgeting process. And ive been a cosponsor of that in the past, but i also think that we should change some of the senate rules, look what Tommy Tuberville is doing, the issue right now when he is holding up all the military people the issue is we need a number of republicans to join us to make those changes, and i just think that the more people see this happening, the more people at home think what is going on the more we move people towards making some changes so this doesnt happen again. There was a joint statement from both Leader Schumer and Mitch Mcconnell about the need to continue the effort for Security Funding for ukraine. Do you believe funding for ukraine should be standalone, and is that perhaps a way to avoid this point of friction with the extreme white ring maga republicans of the house side come november . There are many ways we can procedurally advance funding for ukraine there is a defense bill that is coming over we can do it as you say along with some other funding for emergencies and the like, but this is an urgent need, and its not just senator mcconnell or schuman, who were instrumental in getting this done tonight but also key to me, there is senator murray who are incredible legislators who are on that letter as well as well as the two senators that had the subcommittee that deals with this which is Senator Coons and grams. Senator graham has been a longtime supporter of continuing to stand with ukraine. So there is a number of republicans and i spoke to so many of them today who are there on ukraine in the u. S. Senate. We just cannot the world is watching, right ukrainians with their own blood have taken aback 50 of the territory that the russians took from them. They are on the offense right now, they are unbelievable, they have woke the world up from its slumber, the democracies in terms of standing up for the sovereignty of a country. And other nations are watching this, other countries are seeing what america is doing. Countries like china are watching us right now, certainly Vladimir Putin knows exactly what is going on here and that is why i believe there is such widespread support for continuing our funding, economic and military for ukraine. Its an important point, im glad you brought it up sometimes we think of our domestic politics as being domestic but the world is watching closely to see how they will react to this dysfunction. Senator Amy Klobuchar, thank you so much. Its Always A Pleasure, thank you for making time. Thank you. We will be right back after a quick break. Quick break. Classic, cage free, and organic. More delicious, farmfresh taste. Plus, superior nutrition. Because the way we care is anything but ordinary. 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