Had every right in the world to think he had seen it all, until today. Nobody seen it all, apparently, with this House Republican conference. Unusual is one word for it, my friend. One word for it. Thank you alex. Have a great show. Thank you. Matt gaetz, the 42yearold republican congressman who overthrew the speaker of the house today, had not been born yet when republican Ronald Reagan began running against government. Ronald reagan was the first republican president to be rhetorically and only rhetorically Anti Government. The last republican president , elected before reagan, richard knutson, was a very conservative republican. But he believed in the governments capacity to solve problems. Nixon willingly signed the legislation creating the Environmental Protection agency. Richard nixon pushed a Health Care Bill in congress that was structurally similar to the bill president nixon would try to an act, and president obama would finally and act. The republican president before Richard Nixon knew that government was a force for good, in this world, when he served as the european commander of the United States forces in world war ii. When general Dwight Eisenhower became president eisenhower, he supported all of the relatively new social service programs, including social security, that were advanced by a democratic president Franklin Delano roosevelt, and legislated by democratic congresses. President eisenhower created the interstate highway system, the single biggest federal Infrastructure Program the country had ever seen. So Ronald Reagans Anti Government rhetoric was actually out of sync with his republican predecessors in the presidency. But president reagan never followed through on his rhetoric, because he never meant it. He campaigned on cuts to Government Spending that he then never enacted. He campaigned against taxes, even though in his service as the governor of california and president of the United States, he raised taxes as well as cut taxes. What obregon told his lies about a Government Back in the day when no one in washington thought they were lies. They colds that stuff spin. But the young republicans listen to raegan in those days were too young to know that reagan didnt mean what he was saying. And now, many of those republicans or in the House Of Representatives and even younger republicans, who never heard Ronald Reagan speak, are among the most energetic traffickers in rhetoric. It expresses uncontrollable hatred of government. The american government. Including parts of the government that were one of reagans favorites, like the fbi. Republicans and only republicans in Congress Want to abolish the fbi. They say they want to destroy everything in government. They say the only reason to preserve the Justice Department in any form is to use it to prosecute republicans political opponents, and no one else. And when they say that, they are echoing the leading republican president ial candidate who is openly campaigning for the presidency, simply so he can use the presidency for his own personal purposes. That is the kind of madness Kevin Mccarthy was trying to preside over in the House Of Representatives. Until today. When just one member of the Republican Party filed a motion for a vote on removing Kevin Mccarthy from the speakership. The motion is called a motion to vacate the chair. 210 republicans voted to keep Kevin Mccarthy in his job. Eight republicans voted to remove him. And in republican world, eight republicans beats 210. Which is, in its way, Poetic Justice for a party that believes in minority control of government. And so for the first time in history, a speaker was removed by a motion to vacate. And then, Kevin Mccarthy said this. Unfortunately, 4 of our conference can dictate who can be the republican speaker in this house. I dont think that rule is good for the institution, but apparently im the only one. I believe i can continue to fight, maybe in a different way. I will not run for speaker again, ill have the Conference Pick somebody else. The house is now closed for business, for a week. Republicans are expected to try to elect a speaker on wednesday of next week. Here is a sample of the last words america heard from republicans in congress, before they shut down the House Of Representatives for at least a week. Theres a second group. A small group, honestly theyre willing to plunge this body into chaos and this country into uncertainty for reasons that only they really understand. This republican majority has exceeded all expectations. It is astonishing to hear any colleague give Speaker Mccarthy credit. Voting is at the least a disruptive overreaction. In reality, its selfish. Bad for a conservative policies. The Incentive Structure in this town is completely broken. We no longer value loyalty, integrity, competence or collaboration. Oh, look at that. Give me money, i filed a motion to vacate. Using official actions, official actions, to raise money. Its disgusting. Just gusting. Leading off our discussion tonight is democratic representative who served as the Majority Whip under House Speaker nancy pelosi. Hes now the assistant democratic leader in the house. Thank you very much for joining us on this historic night, congressman clyburn. As i said to alex wagner, you had a right to believe that you had seen everything in the House Of Representatives, until today. Well, thank you very much for having me, lawrence. Youre right. I thought i had seen it all. And i thought that id read about stuff way back yonder that we never see again. I was wrong. History does have a way of repeating itself, and ever since the thing with joseph cannon, who was subject to this kind of a vote. But even then, the vote did not prevail. Today, it did. So it looks as if we are now confronted with a conference thats trying to run the entire House Of Representatives thats divided against itself. And that, as we know from history, will not prevail. So, theyll come back in another week and hopefully they will get their act together. I hope they will, because the country is looking to us for leadership, the country needs stability, around the world. And within our borders, and we ought to be providing it in a bipartisan way. The democrats demonstrated last saturday that we had the vote. That was mccarthys bill that they put on the floor. It was not our bill. Because we wouldve put ukraine in it if it were our bell. We voted for it in a bipartisan way. More democrats than republicans. Yet rather than accept that as a good gesture from the part of democrats, as having done something in a bipartisan way, he went on the sunday shows the next morning and started calling democrats out for trying to force a shutdown of the government. You go figure. How could you do that . And he didnt stop. This morning, he doubled down and said i will not deal with the democrats. Im going to go to the floor, take my chances with all of the republicans, and for one hour, A House Divided against itself, the republican conference. It was between their factions, and we democrats, like the rest of the country, voted on it, disappointed by it, now forced to live with it. Congressman, a week ago, the question was will republicans shut down the government . It turns a what they were going to shut down is the House Of Representatives, which is now shut down for at least a week and in effect for as long as it takes to get to the next speaker. However many votes that might be. Thats correct. I would hope that wed come forward with someone who can work in a bipartisan way to get things done for the American People. Next in line of course is steve scalise. He has a very good rip mutation, in the house, hes someone that i worked with during the coronavirus select committee, and ive known him for a long time. He seems to have the demeanor that is necessary to bring people to gather. I from oklahoma. You did a great job today, so there are people on that side of the aisle that i think would be comfortable. I think democrats can be comfortable with. But well see what theyll do. They seem to be more interested in making headlines then making headway. You know, in the past i used to think someone like tom cruel who you just mentioned, the chair of the rules committee, could be a fairly effective republican speaker. But that was before donald trump, where Congressman Colin has been a complete supporter of donald trump. Isnt it the case now that if a republican speaker works with the democrats in any way, there are eight republicans on the house floor who will immediately vote to remove that republican speaker . Well, that may be the case. I have a Good Alternative for that. And the name happens to be Hakeem Jeffries. He is someone who has demonstrated over the last several weeks, in fact, ever since january, when we put his name up. The American People have been looking at him and the way hes run the democratic caucus, and he will have a bipartisan speaker, let those eight join with us on the democratic side and lets give Hakeem Jeffries the 218 votes youll need to be speaker of the house. Now, im saying that. I know full well that thats as far fetched as almost anything i can think of. But, if those eight people cannot work with their own, maybe theyll work with us. Or there could be eight others somewhere over there on the republican side who no longer want to try to do this under this never before seen version of a governing, you can even call it governing, that these republicans are trying to do. How would you youve worked with speakers before, youve seen them, congressional leaders up close for many decades now. How would you describe how Hakeem Jeffries handles a guiding the democrats in the house through this kite cyst today . Masterfully. He did it in a very bashful way. Hakeem jeffries listens. And when you listen, you can develop a good response. And i watched him in our leadership meetings. He goes around the table, listens to everybody, tries to find a common narrative out of their comments and the questions they raised, and then set forth a process that everybody has been buying into. And thats why youve seen our caucus function the way it has. Because have you jeffries has demonstrated that he will put the people of this country above the politics of his party. Nobody is more diverse in political thought then the democratic caucus. My goodness. We have various thoughts that must be reconciled. And Hakeem Jeffries has demonstrated that he knows how to reconcile differences how to find common ground, how to keep the country moving forward, because we all know were not a perfect country. We are in search of protection. And thats what he is masterful at, and i think that he is going to make an outstanding speaker if not within the next several weeks, certainly within the next several months. The bipartisan action that was taken this weekend in the house extends a Government Funding for 45 days, starting saturday. Those 45 days are going to pass very quickly with this Leadership Crisis in front of us. The challenge will be the next speakers very first challenge, with that deadline for another possible Government Shutdown deadline looming. Yes, it will be. And i would hope that we would take this week, if you go back in the districts, everybody will talk to their constituents. Because i can tell them what theyre going to find. Theyre going to find people who want to see the democrats and republicans working together. I would say that if we can put together not just the appropriation bills, but take a hard look at the issue that is really a problem for us, and that is immigration. Look at the other issues. Voting. Voter rights, i think, are at the to build a strong democracy. And we know that has been in peril of late. So if we can do voting, immigration, and the appropriation bills, i do believe a speaker that can get us to that point will capture the imagination of the American People, and will make a country that will move together, move forward, together. 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Joining us now is senior Legal Correspondent for the messenger, who was in the courtroom for todays proceedings. Also jim obrien, Senior Executive editor for bloomberg opinion, and host of the bloomberg podcast, crash course. And andrew weissmann, hes a former fbi General Counsel and former chief of the Criminal Division of the he is a professor at Nyu Law School and cohost of the Podcast Prosecuting donald trump. Tim and eleanor both msnbc analysts. Adam, we begin with you again tonight bec